MHRA may change advice for young people receiving AZ vaccine

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I just saw this news story on Channel 4 news tonight.

www.channel4.com/news/uk-medicines-regulator-considers-issuing-new-advice-over-oxford-astrazeneca-jab

It seems the MHRA may follow other European countries and Canada and advise that younger people should not receive the AZ vaccine. It seems the decision will be made imminently in the coming days.

I’m due to book my vaccine this week and don’t know whether to wait and see how this plays out. I’m 42. I’m also concerned that if younger people will only be offered the Pfizer vaccine it will slow down the vaccine programme substantially.

Any thoughts?

@TheMancunianCandidate they were only called fuckwits by some not all and not by people that make the uk decisions
Not all countries suspended some did, some had different age restrictions but different decisions will be made due to varying factors as was described today .
I would imagine offered alternative if available means may have to wait a little longer or I guess there will be some who will just have it regardless, and I suppose they can't promise as the physical stock isn't here yet

Macunian the timeline is easily checked. Nobody here need believe either of us.

Everyone can google UvdLs announcements, Macron's statement and the first reporting of post vaccine clotting issues.

@vickyp0llard oo ok thanks that makes sense

Funny that only last week the European nations that raised concern were seen as being politically motivated and it was entirely about jealousy of UK vaccination programme success.

I must say it doesn't exactly instill public confidence when every country chooses an arbitrary cut off date for the age for AZ. I'm sure they all have their own logic but still...

@MarshaBradyo

Truely is the good news one still going? Think I need to read that for a bit!

It is always there for those that need it ❤

Hmmm. A ‘course correction’ according to Sky News.

Something feels very off with this.

@LemonRoses

Funny that only last week the European nations that raised concern were seen as being politically motivated and it was entirely about jealousy of UK vaccination programme success.

Again, for some of us it was 2 separate issues that became entangled.

Norway, for example, had good reason to pause, their data was odd, for them, based on their demographics.

Other countries used that alone to justify their own pauses, restrictions, some with no local data.

And none of that had anything to do with the weird posturings we all saw from UvdL and Macron, for example.

Definitely separate issues. Using vaccination success to cover up calamitous pandemic management and blaming EU for Brexit.

@worriedatthemoment I might need to backtrack my words. Spanish media is currently reporting no more vaccine for below 60s

@LemonRoses that was only by some though just some are more vocal
More were concerned about comments made and threats long before that , its just the vocal few stand out more

@LemonRoses

Definitely separate issues. Using vaccination success to cover up calamitous pandemic management and blaming EU for Brexit.

I wouldn't agree with either of those, but nor would I scoff at anyone who did. They are opinions. We all have them 😊

@EasterIssland looks like Europe is going with similar ages, but if thats the case then I do hope no vaccines go to waste and get diverted to countries to start giving to their older population that may not of even started ,as surely the eu will not need whats ordered if restricting to certain ages , the uk will be in position too eventually but not for some time

@EasterIssland european countries that should of said

Italy now recommending AZ for over 60s, saying Germany and Spain will do the same, France limiting it to over 55s. They said second doses for under 60s will continue though.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@EasterIssland looks like Europe is going with similar ages, but if thats the case then I do hope no vaccines go to waste and get diverted to countries to start giving to their older population that may not of even started ,as surely the eu will not need whats ordered if restricting to certain ages , the uk will be in position too eventually but not for some time [/quote]
I think the same as you but then some people have rightly pointed at me here is it ethical that a Spanish person age 35 can’t have az cuz it’s not safe but someone from Congo age 35 should ? Are they second class ? The “good” ones for the rich country ?
But I think same as you the worse vaccine is the one that the citizens don’t have

@LemonRoses

Definitely separate issues. Using vaccination success to cover up calamitous pandemic management and blaming EU for Brexit.

You might like to start a thread about some of this stuff. Most people just find Macron and the EU commissioner wack including the European press. Not just a UK thing. Other than that the EMA has agreed with us. Separate countries have done their own thing because they have other vaccines available. So the risk of a pause is not a risk to life etc.

Probably one or two people think differently to this on any thread but not the majority. You are miss reading the room a lot.

That is what pisses me off most about this. Some of the issues are not based in science but do inform the political / ethical issues around donating vaccines to poorer countries.

Some people need to be very ashamed of themselves, but I doubt self reflection is in their mind set!

It's fucking criminal, or should be.

Where does it give details of other countries recommendations

@LeeMiller

Italy now recommending AZ for over 60s, saying Germany and Spain will do the same, France limiting it to over 55s. They said second doses for under 60s will continue though.

They are a bit behind us in age ranges already done. So that gives them a fair bit of room. We don't have the privilege of that and it really isn't necessary looking at the risks.

@claret3189

Where does it give details of other countries recommendations

Updates info will probably be reported over the next couple if days, as more countries respond to today's press conferences.

All those worried about second doses (and I have only read the first 10 pages of the thread)

Surely, if this is a rare immune system response to the vaccine, it will happen as soon as, or shortly after, the body encounters the vaccine, ie after the first dose (as they explained). Therefore if you already had the first dose and haven't had this reaction, you can confidently know that you are not one of the very rare unfortunate people who are going to react this way, and have your second vaccine without worry?

Is there an immunologist anywhere on the boards who can confirm this? It seems logical to me.

There were a couple on telly earlier and they said 'too early to be sure' but yes, quite likely.

@EasterIssland no I meant to countries that have not even done older ones so to same cohort or whatever that country recommends i guess if they have similar to mhra / Ema
I guess if a country is badly affected then someone decides what is more risky
Hopefully we learn more in next few weeks as to why / risks that my contribute etc as its in the whole worlds interest to have safe working vaccines , don't care who they are made by as long as safe and effective

@AvaCallanach lets hope so , had my first nearly 3 weeks ago and although I appreciate risk may be small it still concerns me, I mean I have spent the last year trying to avoid covid as you don't know how it affects you , so vaccine is giving me cause for concern and really hoping more is learnt before my second