Covid has just been forgotten about then?

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My in-laws are acting like it's all disappeared over night.

Travelling to london, going out for lunches and dinners in people's houses etc.

They're vaccinated now so I suppose they don't mind.

They've all but invited themselves around to ours in a couple of weeks time!

Outside of MN I don't think many people have, to be honest.The vast majority of people I know have been meeting up indoors for months now.

@sunflowersandbuttercups - really? I don't know anyone who has, apart from DBrother who lives in a remote corner of UK and has 'bubbled' with three sets of people so has had lots of dinners and parties with them throughout. Everyone else i know has been alone or shivering on walks and in gardens, including all teens.

@WalkinginMemphis2 yes, it is, but MY point was I think seeing my vaccinated FIL indoors for a couple of hours with the windows open to have lunch is still an incredibly low risk thing to do, compared to lots of other things I could do, when schools and lots of offices are already back and cases remain low. I no longer care that technically what I did yesterday isn’t ‘within the rules’, I’m afraid, because it wasn’t likely to result in any of us catching or passing on the virus.

We have been vaccinated as have our dp.Ill be fucked if I'm not going to see them now.

@Crunchymum that’s not true. In Greenwich on Friday, as well as going to the park, we went to the market for coffee and a cake, we got fish and chips to takeaway at lunchtime, and DH got an ice cream in the afternoon. We then went on the Thames Clipper back up to Waterloo.
It was a really nice day, certainly not confined to just the park and a trek round the big Waitrose.

We have now had the longest most draconian lockdown. Many other countries have always been able to see family and partners inside. Really now enough is enough we cannot exist like this indefinatley

"But technically I can’t go and see my vaccinated FIL on his own, for lunch, in ONE place, have socially distanced conversation and help myself to food in the kitchen, washing my hands whenever I’m able to."

Well, technically you could be his support bubble. So technically yes, you can.

@denverRegina I can’t, he’s already in a support bubble with his elderly uncle.

They’ve been vaccinated! The government are delusional if they think people who have been vaccinated are going to stay locked up forever... because the low risk healthy have done it for the first wave vaccinated I think it’s disgusting that they can’t return the favour. Everyone will be vaccinated by September, FFS how selfish can you get that you’d risk the very people who gave up their time and freedom for you. I honestly couldn’t look a young Mum or a child or a university student in the face if I behaved like such a total arsehole.

Ahhh @Exhausted4ever classic Mumsnet idiocy there....well my experience is xyz and is therefore representative of the whole population and I refuse to believe otherwise 😂.

On a serious note I do think your experience of knowing people who’ve had it/or if you e had it yourself will colour your judgement. But I would hope everyone here is intelligent enough to know that just because they don’t know anyone whose had a bad experience doesn’t mean that’s representative.

Personally we know 24 people who’ve had it, 3 who sadly died (51 yo, 72 yo and 58 yo respectively), devastating as the 51 year old still has teenage children at home. 72 yo caught it from socialising with family at Xmas after being so careful for so long.

Then we know 4 others who’ve been hospitalised 2 in ICU where their families were told to say their goodbyes. These were 47, 41, 37 and 38 respectively, bar one all fit and seemingly healthy. It was the 47 and 38 yo who were in intensive care. This happened in Jan and only one of them is back at work yet.

The four who weren’t hospitalised but were poorly for weeks and weeks and 3 of whom now seemingly have long COVID.

Obviously this has coloured how seriously we take it somewhat.

@Cowbells

Outside of MN I don't think many people have, to be honest.The vast majority of people I know have been meeting up indoors for months now.

@sunflowersandbuttercups - really? I don't know anyone who has, apart from DBrother who lives in a remote corner of UK and has 'bubbled' with three sets of people so has had lots of dinners and parties with them throughout. Everyone else i know has been alone or shivering on walks and in gardens, including all teens.

Yes, really.

They may not be vocal about it or blasting it on social media, but it's absolutely happening, and has been throughout - maybe with the exception of the first lockdown last year.

because the low risk healthy have done it for the first wave vaccinated I think it’s disgusting that they can’t return the favour

But the low risk healthy were doing it to protect a) the older/vulnerable and b) the health service. Now that that’s been done, the benefits of lockdown are very minimal (and the costs extraordinary).

Fair enough however I didn't agree with lockdown anyway. The NHS has a way of rationing care anyway using the quality of life years system. It's why some treatments are only available privately. That's could just have increased the threshold to a higher number maybe much higher. This would mean looking at the old and clinically venerable in the eye and saying they are prepared to be used to pay to keep society open. The other option is we all get locked down and people actually follow the rules until we get unlocked at the same time everyone equally. This half way house we have now just isn't fair. As it stands I am deeply resentful of the old an CV getting a vaccine then being able to carry on as normal whilst leaving the largely young and healthy generation to pay for it but still waiting for theirs. It makes me feel we weren't all in this together and if we get another pandemic I will happily carry on as usual and they can take their luck surviving in a pandemic which is only fair because people are breaking the rules now.

Equally, when you have had close relatives die of non COVID diseases much younger than they should, in a relatively short space of time (DM for example, 6 weeks or so from diagnosis to dying), this colours your view that life is short and after a year, enough is enough.

Maybe they just prefer to actually live their life, and take the myriad of calculated risks we all take on a daily basis, rather than just existing?

Tell them you live by the rules in your house, so they're welcome but it's outside and distanced.

And....

And yes, obviously I don’t advertise small breaches on social media or even among fairly close friends because I just don’t know who would agree. Safer just to keep quiet and do it under the radar! I’m. It having mass raves, I’d like to add!

Our country's priorities in reopening are a very good illustration of self-sabotage.

Even when people are fully vaccinated, they can still unknowingly carry and pass on COVID, it won't be until most of not all of the population is vaccinated that we will be safe to mix completely.

@AngeloMysterioso

FFS we couldn’t forget about Covid if we tried. Specially not when people like you keep starting threads about RULE BREAKERS

I hate this attitude. It’s like kids at school being mean to kids who don’t want to climb onto the toilet roof and smoke cigarettes. Rule breakers make those of us who are naturally rule followers very uneasy. It’s also very, very difficult to tell relatives that you are sticking to the rules when they have decided not to. Since when is it ok to make people feel bad about NOT doing something illegal?

UK data saying 1 in 13 children who have COVID are experiencing long COVID.... but all that matters is that people get to ‘crack on’ and get back to normal, right? I despair!

How long do you expect/want ppl to hide under the duvet for though?

And? What's the problem here? Are you vulnerable?

@AngeloMysterioso

FFS we couldn’t forget about Covid if we tried. Specially not when people like you keep starting threads about RULE BREAKERS

Ain't that the truth.

I think for many people Easter was a mental of cut off point. Not for throwing all caution to the wind but to at least try and be as ‘normal’ as possible within the parameters, if rates remained low once the schools went back- which they have.