Anyone else regretting their choice to get vaccinated?

[onthetracks]

I had my first vaccine 4 weeks ago (AZ)
I was really put off my having it and didn’t feel 100% happy, but since I’m clinically vulnerable to Covid and I also look after my elderly grandmother who is Clinically extremely l vulnerable, i thought it was the right thing to do.

Since having the vaccine I read no end of negative reports, side effects, blood clots and now deaths.

I’m terrified that I’m going to develop a blood clot and die.

I know this may sound irrational, which is surprising for me as I’m usually able to rationalise things.
But I can’t help feeling that it’s all been a bit rushed.
We’re all so desperate for normal life that we’ve jumped at the chance to be injected with something that we don’t actually know is safe.

Only now that millions of people are having the vaccine are we being alerted to adverse effects.

I’m really starting to regret that I’ve had the vaccine and I honestly don’t think I will go for my 2nd jab. 😣

7 people out of 18 million is miniscule, even if it is proven to be linked. How many people would have died if 18 million were infected with covid? I've had my first AZ, and will be relieved and grateful when I've had my second.

A lot of people here don't realise the difference between anti-vax and anti-one specific brand linked to many potential complications and an overall lower efficacy.

DH is a doctor (I know posters are going to accuse me of lying so believe what you will) but it's well known in medical circles that doctors do not want AZ for themselves or their close family members. Given the choice, every single doctor has taken Pfizer. Many have used personal connections to get their family vaccinated with Pfizer as well. It's not too difficult as once you know someone working in a vaccination centre, they can put names down for days when there are leftover shots for a specific brand.

AZ is no doubt a good vaccine but the constant flip-flopping of regulations from difference countries proves that there is no objective consensus on the product. The statistics are out there and every person is able to make their own decision.

We also delete links to sites that are clearly peddling bad science/fake news.

But will let stand, any post that is demonstrably false. “For the debate” of course. 🙄

@Kendodd yes I agree, long covid is more worrying (personal view). I work in frontline health and the numbers of HCP with long covid is frightening.

Here's the link (NHS approved/ Oxford University)
www.qcovid.org/Home/Algorithm

Since having the vaccine I read no end of negative reports, side effects, blood clots and now deaths.

Here is the maths @onthetracks and anyone else hesitating: 18.1 million people vaccinated in the UK, 30 people recorded with blood clots and 7 deaths vs millions of people who have tested positive, 126,816 deaths and 1.1 million with long covid. The chances of dying from the vaccine are 0.0000003%, and the chances of dying from covid are 0.0019% (taken as a percentage of the UK population, not those who have tested positive).

So, the chances of dying from covid are over 6,000 times that of dying from the vaccine

Zero regrets and looking forward to the second one.

I'm unlikely to take the second dose after suffering extreme nausea and migraine level headaches following the first. A week on the headaches have gone but still feeling constantly queasy (but nothing like the first few days thankfully).

It also bothers me that the process for collecting data about side effects is a bit lax and although I know many people that have had various side effects few have bothered reporting because they dont know how to or think its a waste of time.

With every single medication there will be a handful of people that will suffer adverse effects.

It happened to me a few years ago. I had a reaction to a common antibiotic and it was so rare the doctors didn't believe me at the time (I was in hospital). My GP had heard of it so I knew I wasn't going mad! When I checked the Yellow Card website there is one report of that particular side effect for that year.

I now say I'm allergic to it as I will never take it again but that doesn't mean it's not safe for the millions of other people who take it each year.

@Mistressinthetulips seems like a sensible risk assessment. Here is a link to the information issued by the Danish Health authority, sorry it’s not from a U.K. site but it’s nice and factual and informative and gives a great summary of symptoms of the very rare conditions so I saved the link to my phone so I knew what to look out for:

laegemiddelstyrelsen.dk/en/news/2021/danish-medicines-agency-sends-out-updated-letter-to-people-who-have-received-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-within-the-last-14-days/

I hope that helps.

but it's well known in medical circles that doctors do not want AZ for themselves or their close family members

Of course. Because doctors always know better. 🙄

There has been a plethora of “doctors” who have claimed Covid is a hoax. Claimed that certain treatments should be used. Peddled conspiracy theories. Being a doctor doesn’t stop you from being an ignorant twat.

Remember “Dr” Andrew Wakefield?

“It’s well known in medical circles” is utter bullshit.

Mumsnet need to do something about these fear mongering posts.

It’s not fear mongering to be concerned about having recently been injected with something that Canada, Germany and the Netherlands have since decided isn’t safe to be injected into people in my age group. It’s just fear. People are allowed to talk about things that are worrying them.

I’ve posted about this and I’m not a new poster just name changes as my RL friends know I’m worrying about this. I’ve not only been here for years and years (though have restarted my account a few times for addiction/productivity/mental health reasons!) but I’m fully vaccinated. My kids are fully vaccinated. I’m EVEN vaccinated (first dose) against Covid!

It’s extremely lazy to drag out the word ‘fearmongering’ and dismiss people as anti vaccine. And what’s more it shuts down open conversation. It’s a word that was thrown around a lot during the independence referendum and then Brexit and its LAZY. Raising concerns is not fearmongering.

In this case, early data from Germany and Norway showed up this vaccine side effect as disproportionately affecting women under 50. Surely this forum which I imagine is largely populated by women in or around this age group is exactly where we should be discussing it.

It also means the 18 million vaccinated figure doesn’t necessarily stack up as most of those women be in that demographic. How many blood clots, what age, what fatality rate vs how many people in the category this rare disorder was seen in is what we actually don’t know fully yet.

User548 - you do know that the stats for Pfizer are pretty much the same as for AZ, just not publicised as much for some weird reason.

It also bothers me that the process for collecting data about side effects is a bit lax and although I know many people that have had various side effects few have bothered reporting because they dont know how to or think its a waste of time.

You can’t say a system is lax, if the people who are supposed to use it decide not to. What alternative do you suggest? Someone comes round and knocks on your door every day for a fortnight to check?

No I'm not. I had AZ

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56620646

Even if the vaccine was the cause, and this is still not proven, the numbers suggest around one death in every 2.5 million people vaccinated

However, this has to be weighed against the known threat posed by coronavirus

If 2.5 million 60-year-old people caught coronavirus then around 50,000 would die. If they were all 40-year-olds then around 2,500 would die

It’s not fear mongering to be concerned about having recently been injected with something that Canada, Germany and the Netherlands have since decided isn’t safe to be injected into people in my age group.

Except that isn’t what has happened. Nobody has decided it isn’t safe. It has been withdrawn temporarily for further review.

@reprehensibleme

User548 - you do know that the stats for Pfizer are pretty much the same as for AZ, just not publicised as much for some weird reason.

This is what I don't understand and makes me think there is some sort of agenda against AZ that sadly a lot of people seem to be buying into

I heard on the radio that you're 1 in 600,000 to develop a clot like this after the AZ jab.
But youre 1 in 6 to develop a clot if you get COVID.

FWIW I think you've made the better decision to keep yourself and family safe.

I had a tiny twinge of this, then found my “grip” again

It’s interesting how many of the European countries that have stopped using AZ on and off are now rushing through approval and deals with Sputnik

I mean, ok, the U.K. are the enemy and Brexit must fail and the U.K. vaccine success must be discredited, but helloooo mr Putin 😍 ......

@reprehensibleme

User548 - you do know that the stats for Pfizer are pretty much the same as for AZ, just not publicised as much for some weird reason.

Sorry but that’s been debunked. You really should research before commenting. The most recent announcement is 22 cases of this rare disorder among AZ recipients, 8 more cases of a clot with low platelets among AZ recipients and NONE among Pfizer recipients. Coincidence? I doubt it.

I won’t be taking my second dose till much more is known. And I don’t wish I wasn’t vaccinated, I wish I’d had a different vaccine.

@MintyMabel

It also bothers me that the process for collecting data about side effects is a bit lax and although I know many people that have had various side effects few have bothered reporting because they dont know how to or think its a waste of time.

You can’t say a system is lax, if the people who are supposed to use it decide not to. What alternative do you suggest? Someone comes round and knocks on your door every day for a fortnight to check?

Something like automated texts or calls could be used. I'm sure many of us regularly see follow up 'customer service rating' text after contacting our bank, insurance companies etc.

No. Not a single regret.

@User5485421134

A lot of people here don't realise the difference between anti-vax and anti-one specific brand linked to many potential complications and an overall lower efficacy.

DH is a doctor (I know posters are going to accuse me of lying so believe what you will) but it's well known in medical circles that doctors do not want AZ for themselves or their close family members. Given the choice, every single doctor has taken Pfizer. Many have used personal connections to get their family vaccinated with Pfizer as well. It's not too difficult as once you know someone working in a vaccination centre, they can put names down for days when there are leftover shots for a specific brand.

AZ is no doubt a good vaccine but the constant flip-flopping of regulations from difference countries proves that there is no objective consensus on the product. The statistics are out there and every person is able to make their own decision.

I'm not going to accuse of lying @User5485421134 but can you explain how you know forsure that every single doctor has choosen the Pfizer vaccine

That would surely be a mammoth data finding task, how did you go about it?

It’s not fear mongering to be concerned about having recently been injected with something that Canada, Germany and the Netherlands have since decided isn’t safe to be injected into people in my age group.

Except that isn’t what has happened. Nobody has decided it isn’t safe. It has been withdrawn temporarily for further review.

Oh come on. Those countries have decided it’s nothing safe to risk that it might be a problem then. Either way it’s not nothing. It’s not Bob off we hate vaccines dot com saying his aunty once had a sore toe after her vaccine. It’s entire countries saying ‘people your age shouldn’t get this right now’. Germany have also said first dose AZ people in this age group shouldn’t get their second dose.

I’ll be having a vaccine as soon as I’m offered it. Don’t forget with Pfizer there was controversy at the start in the Israel studies that was off putting to people having it in the UK.

• @namesnamesnamesnames My first was AZ, which, like you, I had before all the negativity. I'd rather have a different brand for the second but we must remember this: millions have been vaccinated with AZ and a handful have awful effects. It's really truly terrible what happened to those people but we mustn't let it define the vaccine

I’d rather stick with the brand that has had 2 doses tested together than mix and match yet - they are trialling mixing vaccines now, but there’s even less data on side effects / efficacy of that approach!

Something like automated texts or calls could be used. I'm sure many of us regularly see follow up 'customer service rating' text after contacting our bank, insurance companies etc.

I don't, I block the number! I always hang up if I'm asked to do a survey after a call as well.