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Anyone else regretting their choice to get vaccinated?

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onthetracks · 03/04/2021 09:27

I had my first vaccine 4 weeks ago (AZ)
I was really put off my having it and didn’t feel 100% happy, but since I’m clinically vulnerable to Covid and I also look after my elderly grandmother who is Clinically extremely l vulnerable, i thought it was the right thing to do.

Since having the vaccine I read no end of negative reports, side effects, blood clots and now deaths.

I’m terrified that I’m going to develop a blood clot and die.

I know this may sound irrational, which is surprising for me as I’m usually able to rationalise things.
But I can’t help feeling that it’s all been a bit rushed.
We’re all so desperate for normal life that we’ve jumped at the chance to be injected with something that we don’t actually know is safe.

Only now that millions of people are having the vaccine are we being alerted to adverse effects.

I’m really starting to regret that I’ve had the vaccine and I honestly don’t think I will go for my 2nd jab. 😣

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XenoBitch · 03/04/2021 21:32

@Smartiepants79

All medications, vaccines, medical procedures, driving your car, climbing your own stairs, eating slightly out of date food, going swimming......... carry a certain level of risk. Please work on putting these anxieties into perspective. The chances of being seriously ill from COVID are pretty small, the chances of being seriously ill from the vaccine are infinitesimally tiny.
That is true, but no one is pressured to do those things, or threatened with being ostracised from society if they don't do them.
Donann · 03/04/2021 21:53

No. Absolutely not.

EwwSprouts · 03/04/2021 22:01

No. It was well tested and adverse side effects were listed on the information sheet given at the vaccination centre. Try reading the adverse effects from aspirin or paracetamol.

I don't agree with vaccination passports.

ittakes2 · 03/04/2021 22:07

The people who developed blood clots did so between 4-16 days so you can stop worrying you are now in the clear. Covid causes more deadly blood clots than the vaccine.

Zilla1 · 03/04/2021 22:19

Well @Susan333, if your evidence is a Telegraph article then I think that says it all.

You've made a leap by saying 'The fact you think that children who have suffered socially, academically, materially with many households relying on foodbanks needs to be questioned is indicative of your obsession over covid neglecting everything else'. You had posted about the destruction of the futures of the millions of children and I didn't know if you were asserting this would occur from the rubbish you were spouting about vaccination or from economic effects? From your subsequent post, I presume it's about the economic effects though you might want to think about the counter-factual which I suspect would have been worse.

It's not lockdown that caused the NHS to 'grind to a halt' (BTW it didn't but don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs). It was COVID and without a lockdown, operations and many treatments wouldn't have gone ahead because there would have been no ICU capacity nor space on wards.

I don't think we'll agree which is no bad thing as I suspect I'd be really worried if you agreed with me based on the content of your posts.

YellowPurple · 03/04/2021 23:08

Have a look at side effects of paracetamol and what it can do to your blood

Someone has a heart attack the day after they have the jab, Was it the jab?

Someone gets run over coming out of the vaccination centre? Was it the jabs fault?

I had a blood clot afew months ago, before the first vaccine, Why?
No idea... They just sometimes happen

Clots are something that happens everyday all over the world.
Just because its happened in people who have had the jab, it doesnt mean it was the jab

There is NO EVIDENCE that blood clots are related to the jab
BUT even if they do, I will take the chance of 0.3 % just the same as i take my chances with every other drug i take

MintyMabel · 04/04/2021 00:32

What are you basing that on?

I'm basing it on the fact that people who know more about it than me have decided that having had covid doesn't mean you don't need the vaccination.

But please do share your more superior knowledge with the virologists and epidemiologists who have made the decisions. I'm sure they'd love the results of your google search.

Susan333 · 04/04/2021 00:53

@Zilla1

Well *@Susan333*, if your evidence is a Telegraph article then I think that says it all.

You've made a leap by saying 'The fact you think that children who have suffered socially, academically, materially with many households relying on foodbanks needs to be questioned is indicative of your obsession over covid neglecting everything else'. You had posted about the destruction of the futures of the millions of children and I didn't know if you were asserting this would occur from the rubbish you were spouting about vaccination or from economic effects? From your subsequent post, I presume it's about the economic effects though you might want to think about the counter-factual which I suspect would have been worse.

It's not lockdown that caused the NHS to 'grind to a halt' (BTW it didn't but don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs). It was COVID and without a lockdown, operations and many treatments wouldn't have gone ahead because there would have been no ICU capacity nor space on wards.

I don't think we'll agree which is no bad thing as I suspect I'd be really worried if you agreed with me based on the content of your posts.

The telegraph, the mail.. unless it's from the Guardian all people like you ever do is dismiss it. You choose which papers are credible and cherry pick them to fit your own agenda.

No idea what you are dribbling on about regarding the damage to childrens futures- if you think families which have sold their homes, kids missing a years worth of education, psychological distress is inconsequential more fool you.

The NHS is a fucking shambles and has been for years

From 2019

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-hospitals-boris-johnson-winter-crisis-emergency-beds-a9242961.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-hospitals-boris-johnson-winter-crisis-emergency-beds-a9242961.html</a>

From 2018

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/11/nhs-winter-crisis-hospital-felt-like-something-out-of-a-war-zone

From 2017
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/07/nhs-bosses-sound-alarm-over-hospital-bed-shortages-patient-safety-concern

If the NHS needs people locked away for a year its unfit for purpose and has been for many years

reprehensibleme · 04/04/2021 08:09

Susan, the issue with that argument is why, then, did Germany, Norway etc also lick down, given that their health services (and capacity) are supposed to be light years ahead of the NHS. Don't get me wrong, I think the NHS needs a huge overhaul and to be far better funded.

Zilla1 · 04/04/2021 08:40

@Susan333, you might want to read your posts about me in order and try and see the massive leaps you are making. I have posted about CVST and COVID risks then asked you a question what you meant.

Regarding information sources, try the BMJ and more rigorous publications when you want be informed about health risks though it sounds like you know what you believe then find things in the popular press that agree with you. You might want to think whether the press you read decide what their editorial policy is then cherry pick to get people to agree. BTW, the Guardian isn't my preferred newspaper, except for sports. It's usually the FT but I still read what it says with a pinch of salt and every news story I've read in which I've had personal involvement has been misreported in the popular press.

PMSL laughing at the notion of a health system having capacity to cope with this pandemic and no lockdown, do you have any concept how much ITU capacity would have had to be kept spare? Based on how much ITU was stretched and how much lockdown would have suppressed demand, it's a guess but it might have been 10+ times capacity sat idle. The main limiting factor would have been staffing rather than hardware. As a PP has said, look at how better funded health systems also were affected but don't let facts get in the way of your prejudices.

FWIW, NHS wasn't 'locked away for a year' but it adapted. My practice never stopped offering face to face consultations where appropriate and many though not all patients prefer online. Some don't and some presentations required and got face to face consultations throughout lockdown. I know not every practice did this. Regarding the effects on patients with cancer, the comparison isn't necessarily with how patients with cancer and similar conditions would have fared normally, it's how they would have fared with no lockdown, no ITU capacity and brought into clinical settings with infections rife in your 'no lockdown' scenario. Good luck with that but based on my patients who received treatment and who had delays to treatment, their mortality would have been higher IME in your 'no lockdown' scenario. Taking into account the clinical history of my patients receiving active care, I can't see a single clinical decision regarding the treatment of any where I thought the clinician in acute would have got it demonstrably wrong which given the circumstances is saying something. I know this won't be the case and have seen the cases in the popular press.

I think I'm posting more for for others as I still suspect I'd be more worried if you agreed with me.

TurquoiseDress · 04/04/2021 08:54

No definitely not

Walkaround · 04/04/2021 09:28

@onthetracks - whilst I can understand your concerns about the reports of blood clots following vaccination, your conclusion that you probably won’t have your 2nd jab is histrionic. It’s been 4 weeks and you have clearly not been bleeding or bruising unusually or you would have mentioned it. Basically, it sounds like you have fuck all wrong with you four weeks after your first dose other than extreme health anxiety. Your chances of dying of a blood clot due to the real disease are colossally magnified in comparison to the theoretical minuscule possibility this could happen as a result of the vaccine.

Why on earth would you take the risk of the vaccine for one dose, then avoid the 2nd dose so that you put yourself at greater risk of the real thing and of getting no benefits if some form of vaccine passport is required, eg, to be allowed to visit another country? That’s the absolute worst of all worlds, surely?! To be less scared of a known risk than a possible risk that at the very least is known to be minute in comparison to the real risk is bizarre thinking, imvho. Basically, you’ve started now, so you might as well finish. Rather that than start again with an alternative vaccine that you can then freak yourself out about, and better that than getting the real disease.

Empressofthemundane · 04/04/2021 09:51

Well put @Walkaround

bumbleymummy · 04/04/2021 09:59

@MintyMabel

What are you basing that on?

I'm basing it on the fact that people who know more about it than me have decided that having had covid doesn't mean you don't need the vaccination.

But please do share your more superior knowledge with the virologists and epidemiologists who have made the decisions. I'm sure they'd love the results of your google search.

The reasons I gave in my post as to why they’re being offered to people who have previously been infected are from the papers I’ve read on the subject. They’ve mentioned that they don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. There are still ongoing trials comparing people with natural immunity to those without. Some countries have said that they’re not prioritising previously infected people for the vaccine or are only offering them one dose.

You said that you think natural immunity is not meant to be as good. What are you basing that on? From what I’ve read, they simply don’t know yet. We don’t know how long vaccine induced immunity lasts either but we have more data that covers a longer time period on natural immunity.

onthetracks · 04/04/2021 11:51

My first dose isn’t for another 8 weeks!
Perhaps by then we will know more about the link between the vaccine and blood clots.

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Mistressinthetulips · 04/04/2021 11:59

You've said you had it four weeks ago?

Boringlynormal · 04/04/2021 12:10

8 + 4 = 12

Boringlynormal · 04/04/2021 12:11

Oh she meant second dose. D’oh.

Boringlynormal · 04/04/2021 12:12

My second dose is in 11 weeks and whether I take it will be dependant on whether we know more. I won’t take silence from the government as an indication that we know more though. I’ll be watching other countries carefully too.

louisejxxx · 04/04/2021 12:12

Absolutely not. If you’re CV then I’m guessing you’re much more likely to die of coronavirus than a blood clot because of the vaccine. You’ve done the right thing.

Bunbunbunny · 04/04/2021 12:18

My DH has a history of clots since he was 27, some just in the superficial veins others were DVTs, the worst was a cluster of clots that broke off and he had over five clots in his lungs (PEs). He even got clots whilst on warfarin (hate that stuff). He is on blood thinners for life and has a filter fitted because of his history.

He has long term damage in his lungs from the old clots. As soon as he could get the vaccine he had it as he would be at high risk if he got COVID. If you look at the number of people that had clots after the injections there is probably a chance at least of half of them would have had clots even if they didn't have the jab. There is risk with all medications, you have to balance it out as the vaccine could save 1,000s of lives. We looked at it and even with the reports of the clots we've both had it, COVID was a greater risk because of my husband's history.

What is it about the risk of clots that's worries you so much? Do you know anyone that has had a clot?

Susan333 · 04/04/2021 12:33

[quote Zilla1]@Susan333, you might want to read your posts about me in order and try and see the massive leaps you are making. I have posted about CVST and COVID risks then asked you a question what you meant.

Regarding information sources, try the BMJ and more rigorous publications when you want be informed about health risks though it sounds like you know what you believe then find things in the popular press that agree with you. You might want to think whether the press you read decide what their editorial policy is then cherry pick to get people to agree. BTW, the Guardian isn't my preferred newspaper, except for sports. It's usually the FT but I still read what it says with a pinch of salt and every news story I've read in which I've had personal involvement has been misreported in the popular press.

PMSL laughing at the notion of a health system having capacity to cope with this pandemic and no lockdown, do you have any concept how much ITU capacity would have had to be kept spare? Based on how much ITU was stretched and how much lockdown would have suppressed demand, it's a guess but it might have been 10+ times capacity sat idle. The main limiting factor would have been staffing rather than hardware. As a PP has said, look at how better funded health systems also were affected but don't let facts get in the way of your prejudices.

FWIW, NHS wasn't 'locked away for a year' but it adapted. My practice never stopped offering face to face consultations where appropriate and many though not all patients prefer online. Some don't and some presentations required and got face to face consultations throughout lockdown. I know not every practice did this. Regarding the effects on patients with cancer, the comparison isn't necessarily with how patients with cancer and similar conditions would have fared normally, it's how they would have fared with no lockdown, no ITU capacity and brought into clinical settings with infections rife in your 'no lockdown' scenario. Good luck with that but based on my patients who received treatment and who had delays to treatment, their mortality would have been higher IME in your 'no lockdown' scenario. Taking into account the clinical history of my patients receiving active care, I can't see a single clinical decision regarding the treatment of any where I thought the clinician in acute would have got it demonstrably wrong which given the circumstances is saying something. I know this won't be the case and have seen the cases in the popular press.

I think I'm posting more for for others as I still suspect I'd be more worried if you agreed with me.[/quote]
I have quoted the BMJ in other threads, just because you dislike certain newspapers and ignore statistics in them doesn't give you much credibility when you behave like a toddler covering your eyes unless it is from a source you deem to be worthy not even bothering to read confirmed medical statistics.

Simply because " your practice " hasnt stopped offering face to face appointments doesn't mean other people haven't had issues including postponed medical treatments, operations with many subsequently suffering ill health/dying from how the NHS has behaved over the last year. If we are to believe the covid death figures, the NHS has hardly been a beacon of competence has it sending thousands to die in old folks homes with covid to cope... how are the florence Nightingale hospitals doing btw- the ones that never opened bar one and have now been demolished at tax payers expense?

I would post links showing the number of people that have died as a consequence of "lockdown to protect the NHS " which as we can see from the links I provided yesterday moans it is overrun every year long before covid. Perhaps have a search on the boards for the thread about GPS not offering face to face appointments from hundreds of women here and remove your blinkers enabling you to see there is an issue outside your " practice " of an NHS service that is unfit for purpose for many people.

If you educated yourself beyond your own little bubble of utopia where everything is running swimmingly,it may benefit you in discussing this topic rationally instead of blindly defending your employers (NHS) in denial at others peoples experiences.

Zilla1 · 04/04/2021 13:32

@Susan333, again, I think you are replying to what's in your head rather than what I've posted. I gave the experience in my practice and said I know it wasn't like there everywhere. You said 'the NHS was locked away for a year' and I said IME it wasn't. You are the one talking in absolutes and then having a tantrum when someone with direct experience doesn't agree with you. As I said, I would be more worried if you agreed with me. Good luck.

Parker231 · 04/04/2021 13:40

@Susan333 - NHS locked away for a year! You must be joking - the staff have through hell for the last year trying to save lives and dealing with more deaths than anyone should have to see. I’m assuming you’ve been locked away and not seen what has been going on in the world.

onthetracks · 04/04/2021 18:03

@Mistressinthetulips

You've said you had it four weeks ago?
@Mistressinthetulips

I did.

12 weeks between doses!

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