How’s everyone feeling about Happy Monday?

[Wingingit15]

I’m not feeling all that happy actually and just feel will have to hide away more in a week or two when there has been so much mixing. Not saying that’s not right, just don’t feel confident at all particularly when schools
return post a fortnight of it!
I suspect it might be different if you’re vaccinated etc though.

It feels good. We have no local family so haven't seen anyone since Christmas, just feels so unnatural to go that long. Looking forward to being able to meet up with a couple of friends who live a bit further away too

@ConnieDobbs

There was a long thread on asthma which I followed, and the conclusion seemed to be that asthma increases the risk of serious illness and long covid, but not actually of death. For this reason asthma is not included in the vaccine priority group, but asthmatics are still regarded as clinically vulnerable and advised to socially distance as much as possible. In practice, vaccination is a postcode lottery with some parts of the country vaccinating all asthmatics and others being much more strict with the criteria.

I'm pleased that restrictions are being lifted but I will personally be cautious, as an unvaccinated woman in my 40s with a level of asthma that just missed the cut off point for a vaccine. I think being indoors is the biggest risk, so I plan to enjoy seeing family and friends outdoors. I will walk or drive everywhere instead of taking public transport, and we'll continue to shop online as much as possible.

Exactly how I feel.

@huggzy

I met for a cup of tea with two friends in one of their gardens, it was lovely.

I've noticed several people on my Facebook posting about finally being able to see a friend today, how they've had coffee together in town or met for a picnic lunch in the park- I'm wondering if they realise that they've actually been able to meet one other person 'recreationally' (so not just for exercise as previously) from 8th March.

@huggzy do they have Older kids? I can’t get mine sat (single parent) so my over 5 tips into the “not allowed” category.

@Wingingit15

Nope, I thought that but no none in that situation

It makes me cross as none of the stuff we’re now ‘allowed’ to do makes any difference to infection rates. You’re not going to catch it outside doing activities that sit you apart from others. None of this should have been stopped. Golf and tennis ffs. I’m so miffed when I come out of a packed supermarket profiting while a quiet clothes shop is forced to stay closed. Why can’t you go for a drive out for the day?? There is absolutely no common sense involved. What happens is once it opens people are pent up, go mad and everything is crowded. Whereas if you keep more open in the first place that wouldn’t happen.

@Onandoff

It makes me cross as none of the stuff we’re now ‘allowed’ to do makes any difference to infection rates. You’re not going to catch it outside doing activities that sit you apart from others. None of this should have been stopped. Golf and tennis ffs. I’m so miffed when I come out of a packed supermarket profiting while a quiet clothes shop is forced to stay closed. Why can’t you go for a drive out for the day?? There is absolutely no common sense involved. What happens is once it opens people are pent up, go mad and everything is crowded. Whereas if you keep more open in the first place that wouldn’t happen.

@Onandoff I agree but I supppse the drive point was about not just about travelling rates but also pressure on a and e (when hospitalisation rates were really high)

Not particularly excited about being outside with people, we have been doing that anyway. Trudging through the winter months.

I am too tired to feel excited. I need a proper holiday first, a hair cut, someone to take some of the stress out of the relentless cooking. I need some new clothes. In a word I don't feel ready to rejoin the human race yet in the real sense. None of my friends are rushing to organise anything, we all exhausted after a year of homeschooling, relentless housework and working through the pandemic. The thought of more cooking for more people, in the garden feels me with dread. We are waiting until we can go out for lunch and dinner.

I need a break first and foremost. When that happens I will rejoice not before.

@Itsalonghaul I feel exactly the same as you!

Can the Government send all working mums to some kind of silent retreat/ spa/ rest cure first before we have to get back to it ?!

Yes I agree, we need to put parents, mainly mothers back together again. We have shouldered much of the burden, and too tired to 'have fun' as we were told to do today in the Times!

No I am not doing fun.
No cooking, no messy BBQs, no entertaining, nothing!
I am too worn out.

It's really disheartening that the restrictions are lifting but theres this big wagging finger over you saying tut tut don't have too much fun just in case ! In that vein , why even bother. Surely no matter when we come out of this there will be a risk , so what limit do we set ? 1 year , 2 years, 10 ?? We've got the vaccine now and yes sorry not everyone has had it ( me included) but at some point life for the majority has to resume , otherwise what is the point.

Yesterday the presenters were discussing how much they were looking forward to warm weather and cooking outside, and meeting up with friends etc etc. I wondered where on earth they had found the energy to even think about entertaining?! And then realised they were all men.

I really thought that everyone with asthma could now be vaccinated as it's classed as underlying health condition. I'm under 40, very mind asthma not used inhalers for ages and I had my vaccination 2 weeks ago. I think even though cases may increase slightly we won't see a big spike and the impact on health services will be minimum due to the fact that so many people are now vaccinated. Things seem to be looking up.

No major changes personally. DS still at school, DH and I still WFH. DS can play with a schoolfriend in the park now (he's too young to go out alone so thd meeting 1 person rule didn't help). Otherwise, makes no difference to us. No local family and we won't be socialising much until vaccinated.

We are both late 40s. DH is overweight, has high blood pressure. This makes his covid age 60 according to the calculator. No vaccine until at least May though. The vaccine website expressly urges men in their late 40s who are overweight to book their vaccine appt promptly as soon as slots open. I don't think we are overestimating risk by being cautious and worried that our age group is being left most at risk as we open up. DH also has a (non-CV) health condition so the idea of covid on top of the fatigue and pain of his existing condition, fills neither of us with joy.

Years ago, my DM suffered post viral fatigue in her early 50s. It was debilitating. She eventually had to take early retirement. She made a partial recovery several years on but was never quite the same. I don't underestimate long Covid either.

I know I have posted already, but wanted to add something more.
We dont know when what little freedom we have right now, will be taken away again.
So I think the expression "make hay while the sun shines" is appropriate.

I know what you mean light as long as I can sit in the sun and someone else tidies up the hay, cooks and does the grind of making hay - that suits me, but I think I speak for many of us when I say we are just too tired to care.

@lightand

I know I have posted already, but wanted to add something more. We dont know when what little freedom we have right now, will be taken away again. So I think the expression "make hay while the sun shines" is appropriate.

It won't. Remember, restrictions end in June!

Remember, restrictions end in June!
Hopefully but that date is not definite.

Remember, restrictions end in June!

I hope I'm wrong but I'll be really surprised if we're not in some kind of lockdown (even if it's a November style one and not a full one) again by June.

What happened Sept -Dec will probably happen again. There's no real reason to think it won't (in terms of infections going up rapidly) not enough people have been vaccinated to get anywhere near herd immunity. No measures against airborne spread of covid in primary schools where 100s of kids mix indoors daily.

Manaus, Brazil had about 70% of their population with antibodies by the end of the first wave, and yet they had a serious second wave.

Unless the vaccination programme speeds up significantly I'd think at some point they'll have to slam on the brakes.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't really understand why everyone is convinced that this decision by humans that it's all going back to normal by June is going to turn out to be true. Their plans for Xmas worked out so well after all. The virus does what it does, and new variants will make the most of people mixing. Without a much bigger proportion of the population who do most mixing being vaccinated I can't really see the outcome being different from last time.

I do hope I'm wrong.

@IloveJKRowling

Remember, restrictions end in June!

I hope I'm wrong but I'll be really surprised if we're not in some kind of lockdown (even if it's a November style one and not a full one) again by June.

What happened Sept -Dec will probably happen again. There's no real reason to think it won't (in terms of infections going up rapidly) not enough people have been vaccinated to get anywhere near herd immunity. No measures against airborne spread of covid in primary schools where 100s of kids mix indoors daily.

Manaus, Brazil had about 70% of their population with antibodies by the end of the first wave, and yet they had a serious second wave.

Unless the vaccination programme speeds up significantly I'd think at some point they'll have to slam on the brakes.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't really understand why everyone is convinced that this decision by humans that it's all going back to normal by June is going to turn out to be true. Their plans for Xmas worked out so well after all. The virus does what it does, and new variants will make the most of people mixing. Without a much bigger proportion of the population who do most mixing being vaccinated I can't really see the outcome being different from last time.

I do hope I'm wrong.

No, please no that will break me 😢😢

We’re not even out of lockdown and @IloveJKRowling is predicting we’ll be back in one by the end of June!

In summer, with half of the population having antibodies. Even more by then. Righ oh.

Do you remember last summer? When nobody was vaccinated? Cases stayed low throughout. But it will be worse this year for sure.

Well I think we should stay locked down until all the middle-class-anxious of mumsnet are confident that we've baeaten mortality.

Well I think we should stay locked down until all the middle-class-anxious of mumsnet are confident that we've baeaten mortality.

I haven't had the impression at all that the majority of those anxious about covid on MN are middle class tbh. I thought the middle classes were allegedly lounging around in their big gardens, sauntering around their leafy, uncrowded local areas and eagerly planning their post-lockdown holidays and jaunts to see mummy in the country. That's what is usually snidely claimed on here anyway.

I wasn't particularly fussed about happy Monday, except that it allows my dc to see their friends (whom they're already seeing every day in school). I doubt that me seeing a couple of friends for a walk instead of only onr is going to increase the risk of covid I already have from all 4 of us being in and out of schools every day tbh!

@IloveJKRowling

Remember, restrictions end in June!

I hope I'm wrong but I'll be really surprised if we're not in some kind of lockdown (even if it's a November style one and not a full one) again by June.

What happened Sept -Dec will probably happen again. There's no real reason to think it won't (in terms of infections going up rapidly) not enough people have been vaccinated to get anywhere near herd immunity. No measures against airborne spread of covid in primary schools where 100s of kids mix indoors daily.

Manaus, Brazil had about 70% of their population with antibodies by the end of the first wave, and yet they had a serious second wave.

Unless the vaccination programme speeds up significantly I'd think at some point they'll have to slam on the brakes.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't really understand why everyone is convinced that this decision by humans that it's all going back to normal by June is going to turn out to be true. Their plans for Xmas worked out so well after all. The virus does what it does, and new variants will make the most of people mixing. Without a much bigger proportion of the population who do most mixing being vaccinated I can't really see the outcome being different from last time.

I do hope I'm wrong.

These comparisons to September-December have no bearing now as the majority of vulnerable have received at least one vaccine. It's a different scenario.

Case numbers no longer matter. Hospital rates are what matters. And younger people who haven't been vaccinated are the ones extremely unlikely to need hospital treatment if they do catch Covid.

@IloveJKRowling we won’t be back in lockdown by June. Cases don’t matter so much anymore as long as hospitalisation rates stay down, which they should as most of the vulnerable are vaccinated. There’s also no appetite for further lockdown, I very much doubt it would get through parliament and most people wouldn’t comply. Time for everyone to get on with their lives, anyone who doesn’t want to is free to stay in if they wish.

Of course cases matter. The more cases the more chances of mutations that resist the present vaccine. Thats the problem.