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Do you know anyone who has been vaccinated, but subsequently contracted covid and died? *(Title edited)

141 replies

ChocOrange1 · 27/03/2021 16:07

Just looking for anecdata, which I know is not robust. I was wondering if anyone here knows someone who has died of covid after being vaccinated? Not including people who tested positive a few days after being vaccinated, where obviously they hadn't developed immunity yet. Just wondering really.

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Sandgrown1970 · 27/03/2021 17:11

Why were they tested if asymptomatic?

It’s a care home.

They are duty bound to test residents and staff weekly, symptoms or not.

Staff get 2 LFDs and 1 PCR test per week and all residents get 1 PCR per month in my local authority.

User5747384 · 27/03/2021 17:11

No and I don't know anyone who has caught it after they have been vaccinated either.

bobbiester · 27/03/2021 17:13

No. But do know people who had the jab, stayed overnight in a hospital full.of COVID cases and didn't catch COVID.

Azuretwist · 27/03/2021 17:14

No.
But as it takes 3 weeks for the vaccine to fibre fully working, I gather there may be some people who sadly caught covid before those three weeks were up.

partyatthepalace · 27/03/2021 17:15

No

Heartofstrings · 27/03/2021 17:18

@AvaCallanach his platelets as of 2 days ago were at 15 and have been falling quickly over 2 weeks. I've been told they won't be treating now

ChocOrange1 · 27/03/2021 17:18

[quote notrub]At least 60 up to when this report was put together.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/971017/SP_PH__VE_report_20210317_CC_JLB.pdf[/quote]
Thanks thats great, the sort if data i was looking for.
60 is not many at all if we had vaccinated 20 million people at the time.

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wonkylegs · 27/03/2021 17:19

@Lentillover1900
In my mums care home all staff and residents get tested regularly
So far they have only had a single ill staff member and no ill residents which is good as they are all very vulnerable and don't understand social distancing.

AvaCallanach · 27/03/2021 17:21

@Heartofstrings
Is he very elderly or otherwise unwell? I wonder why they aren't treating it?
My child's platelets were at 1 when we got to hospital and there was spontaneous bleeding from nose and mouth. The next morning platelets were zero. The danger was a brain bleed and immunoglobulin was administered, but milder cases can be treated with steroids and chronic cases with splenectomy.

Lentillover1900 · 27/03/2021 17:24

[quote AvaCallanach]@Heartofstrings
Is he very elderly or otherwise unwell? I wonder why they aren't treating it?
My child's platelets were at 1 when we got to hospital and there was spontaneous bleeding from nose and mouth. The next morning platelets were zero. The danger was a brain bleed and immunoglobulin was administered, but milder cases can be treated with steroids and chronic cases with splenectomy.[/quote]
Oh goodness that must have been hellishly terrifying

ancientgran · 27/03/2021 17:26

@Sandgrown1970

I don't know if the Devon cases haven't been reported nationally but 18 dead weeks after their jabs is concerning. They were elderly but it was an outbreak, at least one member of staff ended up in hospital with it as well.

Everything I’ve read has said 9 deaths, not 18.

There are thousands of care homes up and down the country. It’s one case, directly involved with a police investigation over wilful neglect. Rather than perpetuating scaremongering, it’s best to remain calm and realise that there’s more to this story. Maybe it’s a faulty batch. Maybe it was stored at the wrong temperature. Maybe the dead residents weren’t vaccinated (ie new admissions post vaccine, or unable to have it). The care home is under a lot of suspicion. I don’t see this as evidence the vaccine isn’t affective in preventing deaths. Look at the real data worldwide. Something, human error/neglect in fact, has gone wrong in this one Care home. Let’s not get hysterical.

Two homes, the one in Sidmouth has had 9 deaths and 2 members of staff arrested. At one point there were 10 more residents in hospital and 1 member of staff.

The other home is in Exmouth and they also had 9 die. No investigation that I know of.

The Sidmouth home said most residents had the vaccine, the Exmouth one said all the residents had the vaccine.

I wasn't being hysterical, that is very rude. Dismissing the truth as being hysterical is unnecessary. Or do you think we can only talk about positive things? Propaganda I suppose you'd call it.

So adding the two together comes to 18.

ancientgran · 27/03/2021 17:29

@Sandgrown1970

I don't know if the Devon cases haven't been reported nationally but 18 dead weeks after their jabs is concerning. They were elderly but it was an outbreak, at least one member of staff ended up in hospital with it as well.

Everything I’ve read has said 9 deaths, not 18.

There are thousands of care homes up and down the country. It’s one case, directly involved with a police investigation over wilful neglect. Rather than perpetuating scaremongering, it’s best to remain calm and realise that there’s more to this story. Maybe it’s a faulty batch. Maybe it was stored at the wrong temperature. Maybe the dead residents weren’t vaccinated (ie new admissions post vaccine, or unable to have it). The care home is under a lot of suspicion. I don’t see this as evidence the vaccine isn’t affective in preventing deaths. Look at the real data worldwide. Something, human error/neglect in fact, has gone wrong in this one Care home. Let’s not get hysterical.

Just to be clear, as you obviously missed me referring to two homes, this isn't one case, it is two, one is now being investigated by the police the other isn't.
Northernsoulgirl45 · 27/03/2021 17:31

No

Sandgrown1970 · 27/03/2021 17:50

Two homes, the one in Sidmouth has had 9 deaths and 2 members of staff arrested. At one point there were 10 more residents in hospital and 1 member of staff.

The other home is in Exmouth and they also had 9 die. No investigation that I know of.

The Sidmouth home said most residents had the vaccine, the Exmouth one said all the residents had the vaccine.

I wasn't being hysterical, that is very rude. Dismissing the truth as being hysterical is unnecessary. Or do you think we can only talk about positive things? Propaganda I suppose you'd call it.

So adding the two together comes to 18.

Thank you for clarifying that you were referring to two separate cases.

I am not “dismissing the truth”, nor am I alleging anything about these deaths being propaganda (propaganda for what for a start?).

I don’t think it’s rude to suggest we avoid hysteria. I think it’s important instead acknowledge to the facts without jumping to conclusions about overall vaccine effectiveness. There are two incidences in the same vicinity (so again, possible faulty batch/wrong storage), police, CQC and social services investigations are underway and not complete. Let’s wait for the findings and reserve judgment. It’s sad, especially as there has clearly been human error or neglect play a role in this, but look on a global scale or even just a national scale and at least try and look at the data.
Two care homes, 30 minutes apart.
As opposed to thousands up and down the U.K. where this simply isn’t happening. Why aren’t we hearing of huge symptomatic outbreaks and deaths happening amongst vaccinated service users and carers in care homes worldwide? It’s strange. It’s an oddity. That’s why it’s so heavily reported. It flies in the face of the on the ground success of the vaccine programme in care homes throughout the U.K. (and worldwide). And that’s why I think it’s important not to fixate on two isolated cases in the same area which are still under investigation.

HmmmmmmInteresting · 27/03/2021 18:06

@Lentillover1900 care homes have to test regularly

Heartofstrings · 27/03/2021 18:07

@AvaCallanach he's 90 and has dementia. I'm not sure this is PC but there's very little point in treating him. They have gone from 115 to 51 to 15 in a very short space of time

notrub · 27/03/2021 18:09

60 is not many at all if we had vaccinated 20 million people at the time.

Please don't take a mile when offered an inch.

The report doesn't mention the period studied and there are other limiting factors - it is purely designed to demonstrate the efficacy of the vaccines against a sample population - NOT show all deaths.

I would however be interested to find out what the total number is - no doubt at some point it'll be published.

LongTimeMammaBear · 27/03/2021 18:16

I’m not really sure of the time line but my 94 year old aunt (she lived in USA) in a nursing home. She felt dizzy after her vaccine, fell and hit her head, needing stitches so was taken to hospital. A few days after she had her stitches, during nursing home routine testing (they test everyone regularly), she tested positive. Symptoms later developed and she was hospitalised when her oxygen levels dropped and she developed pneumonia. She then died. Has not stopped us getting vaccine.

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 27/03/2021 18:18

Depends what you mean. Do I know of anyone who has been jabbed and then died. Yes. But she died for reasons other than the jab. And not from Covid.

Parkermumma07 · 27/03/2021 18:22

No, sister caught Covid after the vaccine but had very mild symptoms, only knew she had it after a lateral flow test at work ( I know there not 100% accurate)

NameChangedForThisFeb21 · 27/03/2021 18:23

I’m sorry to be pedantic but, even when we are saying “vaccinated” quite often what we mean is “received the first dose of a vaccine” which isn’t the same as “vaccinated”.

It’s a really small percentage that have been fully vaccinated so far. The data looks good after one dose. It’s better after two. So there will still be deaths after the first dose, but significantly less than amongst the un-vaccinated. Then, at full vaccination of 2 doses, the death rate will go down yet further. Add to all of that the likelihood of contracting and dying from Covid in the first place and...it’s probably best to err on the side of a more favourable outlook than the alternative. We are never going to get to 0 deaths from Covid ever again. But 1000 Covid deaths a day in the near future? It’s looking less likely with the current mutations at least and that it thanks to the vaccine programme.

notrub · 27/03/2021 18:24

@notrub

60 is not many at all if we had vaccinated 20 million people at the time.

Please don't take a mile when offered an inch.

The report doesn't mention the period studied and there are other limiting factors - it is purely designed to demonstrate the efficacy of the vaccines against a sample population - NOT show all deaths.

I would however be interested to find out what the total number is - no doubt at some point it'll be published.

That 60 was out of 914 people who contracted covid btw.

So a very small sample.

YukoandHiro · 27/03/2021 18:27

No, have you read any of the news stories? There aren't any. US study: AZ 100 per cent effective against serious illness.