EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

It is an analysis of the contract- but you can read 5.1 and 5.4 for yourself.

Haffiana. There was no contracted supply from the UK to the EU in the AZ contracts.

From the Corriere della Sera : The "found" AZ doses are destined for Belgium.

I lotti trovati nello stabilimento di produzione risultavano destinati al Belgio

Does anyone know the conditions of the contract?

Must be more than one contract/agreement in existence.
Press release - University of Oxford website, dated 18th May 2020;

Funding and manufacturing boost for UK vaccine programme...

Business Secretary Alok Sharma said: 'Our scientists are at the forefront of vaccine development. This deal with AstraZeneca means that if the Oxford University vaccine works, people in the UK will get the first access to it

www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-05-18-funding-and-manufacturing-boost-uk-vaccine-programme

Another quote from Italy:
It is up to the company (AstraZeneca, ed) to decide where the doses go "stored in Anagni," but we cannot help but notice that AstraZeneca is far behind with deliveries "to the European Union, Dombrovskis said

Ummmm..... so it's up to AZ then is it .

There was no contracted supply from the UK to the EU in the AZ contracts.

Great, so if this the case how do we get vaccines that the U.K. task force procured

Unbelievable

mobile.twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/1374721504492019715

Its being reported that the stockpile 'found' in Italy was stock that was waiting for quality control before being released to covax. The rest awaiting quality control before being released to the EU.

We were almost at the finish line...now it doesn't seem to likely the roadmap or the roll out are within reach over the next few months.

We were almost at the finish line...now it doesn't seem to likely the roadmap or the roll out are within reach over the next few months

Well fortunately for us we produce the vaccine here in the UK, so a small delay but no more than that, worst case scenario.

Meanwhile the EU Is looking more and more like a basket case with every passing hour.

'There was no contracted supply from the UK to the EU in the AZ contracts.'

Are you sure that's correct? That's now what is reported in the French newspapers.

Personally I take absolutely no joy in seeing people die, in this country or in any other.

This sums up the European Commission's standpoint yesterday:
www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca-idCNL1N2LL0K5
Gallina ... noted that only one of the five vaccine-production plants listed in the EU contract with AstraZeneca was delivering vaccines to the EU.
The contract lists two factories in Britain, one in the Netherlands, one in Belgium.

If the interpretation of the contract including the British plants had been as unequivocally refuted as some people here seem to believe, surely the Commission would not bring it up any more?

[quote Clavinova]Does anyone know the conditions of the contract?

Must be more than one contract/agreement in existence.
Press release - University of Oxford website, dated 18th May 2020;

Funding and manufacturing boost for UK vaccine programme...

Business Secretary Alok Sharma said: 'Our scientists are at the forefront of vaccine development. This deal with AstraZeneca means that if the Oxford University vaccine works, people in the UK will get the first access to it

www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-05-18-funding-and-manufacturing-boost-uk-vaccine-programme[/quote]
That is a press release not a contract. The ACTUAL contract was signed in August 2020.

There was no contracted supply from the UK to the EU in the AZ contracts.

This is simply incorrect.

So now we don’t go by contracts or a legal route we just take whatever we can as it’s made in our country! Does nobody see what chaos this is going to cause going forward 🤷‍♀️

The issue has been all along when the contracts were signed - at the time the EU INCLUDED all of the UK's production sites under the EU. This was a technical but also logistical error, and one that really should not have been made given brexit. However all of the UK sites were included, incorrectly. Hence the shortfall in production capacity.

The EU then decided it still had the right to use our production sites as they are 'Europe' in their minds at least, for some unknown reason, and held AZ accountable. Hence where the demand for our vaccines comes from.

The EU still have not understood that the UK have left. If they want us to do something for them, they need to ask nicely these days. Something they are clearly not used to.

Put it in quotes this time:

There was no contracted supply from the UK to the EU in the AZ contracts.

This is incorrect.

@Itsalonghaul

The issue has been all along when the contracts were signed - at the time the EU INCLUDED all of the UK's production sites under the EU. This was a technical but also logistical error, and one that really should not have been made given brexit. However all of the UK sites were included, incorrectly. Hence the shortfall in production capacity.

The EU then decided it still had the right to use our production sites as they are 'Europe' in their minds at least, for some unknown reason, and held AZ accountable. Hence where the demand for our vaccines comes from.

The EU still have not understood that the UK have left. If they want us to do something for them, they need to ask nicely these days. Something they are clearly not used to.

This is a joke, right? This is your adult understanding of international relationships?

That is precisely what happened haffiana

Haffiana how many doses should U.K. based AZ have delivered and by when?

"The contract is at the heart of a dispute over access to vaccines, after AstraZeneca announced last week it would fall short of delivering promised vaccines to the EU by March because of production problems in Belgium.

AstraZeneca has been making large quantities of its vaccine in Britain, but has said a contract it signed with the British government requires it to fulfil Britain’s order before it can send doses manufactured there abroad, including to the EU.

The company agreed on Friday (29 January) to publication of its advance purchase agreement with the European Commission. The 41-page contract was published, although certain parts were blackened.

In a section on manufacturing sites, the contract reads: “AstraZeneca shall use its Best Reasonable Efforts to manufacture the vaccine at manufacturing sites located within the EU (which for the purpose of this Section 5.4 only shall include the United Kingdom)”.

At the time the contract was signed, Britain had left the EU but was still subject to most EU rules in a transition period which ended at the start of this year

The contract goes on to say that AstraZeneca may manufacture at facilities elsewhere to accelerate supply of the vaccine in Europe, provided that it gives prior notification"

www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/astrazeneca-obligation-to-supply-eu-with-uk-made-vaccines-exposed/

AstraZeneca prévoit de livrer au deuxième trimestre 70 millions de doses aux Européens, contre 180 millions prévues dans le contrat signé avec l’UE, après n’avoir assuré qu’un tiers des livraisons promises au premier trimestre.

AstraZeneca is predicting the delivery, during the second trimester, of 70 million doses to Europe, against 180 million predicted in the contract the company signed with the EU, after having received only a third of of the doses promised during the first trimester.

I'm not a good translator, but that should give you an idea. That's from Le Monde.

So the super sleuth vaccine hunters at the commission actually busted their own vaccine supply that they dident know was there but tipped off.
Whos idea was it to use the word hidden vaccines and throw its probably uk supply into the mix? Italian politicians or media?

Other than reserved 2nd doses I don't think UK is stockpiling.
Theres short pause whilst they test each batch I think.
We know total of how much each country ordered.
We don't know exact productivity output
How much each country has or is awaiting.
Boris got annoyed with nicola sturgeon because he did not want UK publicly saying too much about stock and whats due.

Is we can upscale az in uk.
Our moderna order is coming from the USA not Europe.
India come through on delayed 5million
Them even if Europe block pfizer I think we be ok .

Is a contract not a 2 way thing.
Have EU broken any terms and conditions of their contract at their end.
Publishing confidential documents
Smear campaigns and threatening behaviour

Raiding partner factories and bottling plants.
Causing breech of contracts with other countries eg Australia

Interrupting supply chains.
Is there any scope for az do partial refund and say contract ended.
I fear the actual repercussions won't be immediate but I don't see how America could condone it.
If they treat Johnson and Johnson as shitty as they treated az.
Let's not forget has go to USA for bottling.
Phizer will they be liable any breech contract if they unable to deliver next doses to UK?

Yes that is right work because AZ are contractually obliged to fulfil their order to the UK first. That was always the case.

This is not the choice of AZ, but the legal rule of law.

The contract states that the agreement made with the EU will be 'best efforts' AFTER the UK - not as well, or before. That means you will get every dose that you want, at the time frame of your choice. It is not a Mcdonalds drive through. It is a contract that clearly states what was agreed.

At the time the EU put most of their bets on the failed French vaccine and Pjizer, and one or two others instead. They are now scrambling around to make up the shortfall due to the failed vaccine. Had Sanofi delivered, I am sure the situation would not be as grave as it is now.

With respect to the future of UK Pharmaceuticals and Manufacturing, I think it is right and fitting that we should thank Ursula von der Leyen for ensuring the UK's capacity is continually put on a par with that of the entirety of the USA or the entirety of the EU. I wish it was for the sake of our GDP, but the manufacture side at least is miniscule and only started being built up in the last few years. The more we see of EU factories searched and goods seized (more like it's illegal drugs activity than legitimate tax-paying businessed), the more likely that there will be increased demand for UK delivery in the medium and long term. India will do well out of this in future too, though they don't get the kudos from UvdL. Perhaps each nation could erect an Ursula statue in one of their future manufacturing facilities by way of thanks for the GDP.

The UK creates raw materials for Pfizer, it's a joint manufacturing endeavour in that respect. Vaccine components are also important and should be recognised where these have been supplied.

@Haffiana - The EU factories were due to give some AZ supply to the UK but largely it failed. The EC shouted a lot that doses were sent, raided factories in Belgium, and finally dropped that argument when they discovered that no doses had been sent. If you read the non-redacted parts of the EC Astrazeneca contract, it's clear that the initial 300m doses are made in the EU and the Additional 100m doses can use UK facilities; they haven't got to that point. If the EC thought they would win in court, then they would have gone to court, they simply know they would lose.

@ScribblingPixie

Bizarre use of the word 'hiding' by an (Italian?) newspaper. Replacing that with 'in storage before being shipped to customers' might be more accurate.

Yes, 'hiding' is indeed am odd and unnecessarily emotive word. Are private companies obliged to keep the EU informed as to what they are producing in order to meet other customer orders? 'Hiding' implies that AZ were lobbing doses under the floorboards when the EU knock on the door!

So far as I understood the contracts, the UK supply chain was intended to fulfill EU orders only once the UKs order had been met.