EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

Bizarre use of the word 'hiding' by an (Italian?) newspaper. Replacing that with 'in storage before being shipped to customers' might be more accurate.

The EU says it has exported 10 million jabs to the UK, but received none in return. While our member states are facing the third wave of the pandemic and not every company is delivering on its contract, the EU is the only major OECD producer that continues to export vaccines at large scale to dozens of countries," Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission President, told the press conference. But open roads should run in both directions. This is why the European Commission will introduce the principles of reciprocity and proportionality into the EU's existing authorisation mechanism.

They have completely lost the plot. How can you have reciprocity when the EU has the majority of European vaccine manufactures on its own soil. What if ALL the worlds vaccines were made in the EU. FFS. The UK is making enough AZ only for itself, it hasn't got any other manufacturing up and running yet, and HAS to get PB imported, and will HAVE to get Moderna and J&J imported. This is really getting ridiculous now.

And that customer was Belgium now? Did anyway check any facts before all this was reported?

@BigWoollyJumpers

The EU says it has exported 10 million jabs to the UK, but received none in return. While our member states are facing the third wave of the pandemic and not every company is delivering on its contract, the EU is the only major OECD producer that continues to export vaccines at large scale to dozens of countries," Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission President, told the press conference. But open roads should run in both directions. This is why the European Commission will introduce the principles of reciprocity and proportionality into the EU's existing authorisation mechanism.

They have completely lost the plot. How can you have reciprocity when the EU has the majority of European vaccine manufactures on its own soil. What if ALL the worlds vaccines were made in the EU. FFS. The UK is making enough AZ only for itself, it hasn't got any other manufacturing up and running yet, and HAS to get PB imported, and will HAVE to get Moderna and J&J imported. This is really getting ridiculous now.

Exactly

@MarshaBradyo

How many vaccines ordered by the EU under contract that are manufactured in the UK have been exported to the EU?

This is only relevant if you know the conditions of the contract.

Has AZ breached it?

Does anyone know the conditions of the contract?

Google states that the contract conditions for both the EU and UK were identical. Perhaps that is the case - but does it make such a difference? Astrazenica are actually already supplying some vaccine to the EU, so that indicates that the contract is valid. EU signed the contract first, certainly.

Again - how many vaccines contracted to the EU have been exported from the UK?

There is some disagreement about clauses 5.1 and 5.4 but most legal experts seem to agree that the contract was for AZ to use best reasonable efforts to manufacture the initial 300m doses in the EU. The subsequent extra doses ordered could be manufactured in the EU and the UK.

We are currently talking about the Initial Europe Doses which are contracted to come from the EU not the UK. I presume the EU specified this to favour EU providers and prevent vaccine nationalism.

www.druces.com/astrazeneca-eu-contract-what-it-really-says/

"Google states"? Is that where we're at with facts?

@FourTeaFallOut

And that customer was Belgium now? Did anyway check any facts before all this was reported?

No they didn't. The whole thing is just completely out of control now. It's febrile. I also have this terrible sinking feeling that the only vaccine/company being targeted happens to be the at cost version, and cynically wonder whether there is some kind of conspiracy to control the market with expensive drugs. WHO have gone quiet.

Haffiana if EU had legal basis for claims they should use it. I doubt they do hence this route.

As BigWoolly noted on numbers you can’t use reciprocity in this way. If it wasn’t part of a contract then there may be no doses. Then what? You don’t get what you’ve legally paid for and contracted to get?

Is that how you think it should work

@FourTeaFallOut

And that customer was Belgium now? Did anyway check any facts before all this was reported?

Of course not, it's important to get out in the news so that people from those countries realise how well the EU is doing trying to support them and hw bbad AZ is and also the UK which is stealing our vaccines and the ban should go ahead. I say this as a spanish person who has been told by several people today that the UE should bloock any exports as the UK is stealing them

UK is stealing them

Stealing them how?

Haffiana Again - how many vaccines contracted to the EU have been exported from the UK?

Again - It is irrelevant. How many have Israel exported, or Chile, or Malta, or Hungary, or the UAE or any other countries who are are vaccinating at speed. UK does not have huge manufacturing capacity, hence the need to import from other countries who happen to have the production capacity. As do the majority of countries in the world.

@BigWoollyJumpers I agree , however, az is the only one who is not fulfilling their contract with the EU, any other pharmacist is. However, the complot that is day after day against AZ is tiring... and what is causing is that the europeans are refusing this vaccine and this will cause more long term damage

@MarshaBradyo

UK is stealing them

Stealing them how?

Uk has paid more so AZ is sending the european vaccines to UK.

PS These aren't my words but what keeps coming to me from Spain

[quote EasterIssland]@BigWoollyJumpers I agree , however, az is the only one who is not fulfilling their contract with the EU, any other pharmacist is. However, the complot that is day after day against AZ is tiring... and what is causing is that the europeans are refusing this vaccine and this will cause more long term damage[/quote]
Untrue. Pfizer is also not delivering at rate, not is Moderna.

@BigWoollyJumpers

The EU says it has exported 10 million jabs to the UK, but received none in return. While our member states are facing the third wave of the pandemic and not every company is delivering on its contract, the EU is the only major OECD producer that continues to export vaccines at large scale to dozens of countries," Ursula von der Leyen, the Commission President, told the press conference. But open roads should run in both directions. This is why the European Commission will introduce the principles of reciprocity and proportionality into the EU's existing authorisation mechanism.

They have completely lost the plot. How can you have reciprocity when the EU has the majority of European vaccine manufactures on its own soil. What if ALL the worlds vaccines were made in the EU. FFS. The UK is making enough AZ only for itself, it hasn't got any other manufacturing up and running yet, and HAS to get PB imported, and will HAVE to get Moderna and J&J imported. This is really getting ridiculous now.

If the UK is 'making enough AZ for itself' then the EU can use what it makes for itself, surely?

Only it hasn't done that. It has allowed drug companies to keep their contractual obligations and EXPORT vaccines. So the EU does not have 'enough for itself'.

And the IMPORTED vaccines it should have had from the manufacturer that is UK-based have never been received.

India is also not exporting vaccines to the UK because it does not have 'enough for itself' either.

Uk has paid more so AZ is sending the european vaccines to UK

Untrue. The 10m vaccines that the EU keep saying have been exported to the UK are the PFIZER vaccines NOT AZ. The mis-reporting and bad or remiss representation is getting tiring.

@BigWoollyJumpers

Uk has paid more so AZ is sending the european vaccines to UK

Untrue. The 10m vaccines that the EU keep saying have been exported to the UK are the PFIZER vaccines NOT AZ. The mis-reporting and bad or remiss representation is getting tiring.

tell me about It, spanish living in the uk and getting opposite information from uk and spain

again those arent my words but what spanish media and therefore people I know are saying, def. not my words

@MarshaBradyo
if EU had legal basis for claims they should use it. I doubt they do hence this route.

What exactly do you expect them to do? Just accept that AZ has no intention of fulfilling the contract and sue for compensation? They need vaccines, not monetary compensation.

And the IMPORTED vaccines it should have had from the manufacturer that is UK-based have never been received

They were never included.

@BigWoollyJumpers

Haffiana Again - how many vaccines contracted to the EU have been exported from the UK?

Again - It is irrelevant. How many have Israel exported, or Chile, or Malta, or Hungary, or the UAE or any other countries who are are vaccinating at speed. UK does not have huge manufacturing capacity, hence the need to import from other countries who happen to have the production capacity. As do the majority of countries in the world.

A UK company manufactures vaccine that has been contracted abroad. It doesn't matter how big the manufacturing capacity is. That is actually and legally irrelevant.

[quote Guinan]@MarshaBradyo
if EU had legal basis for claims they should use it. I doubt they do hence this route.

What exactly do you expect them to do? Just accept that AZ has no intention of fulfilling the contract and sue for compensation? They need vaccines, not monetary compensation.[/quote]
What legal basis do you think they have then?

Haffiana, as stated above the Initial Europe Doses are contracted to come from the EU not the UK.

www.druces.com/astrazeneca-eu-contract-what-it-really-says/

@BigWoollyJumpers

And the IMPORTED vaccines it should have had from the manufacturer that is UK-based have never been received

They were never included.

What on earth do you mean?

[quote cathyandclare]Haffiana, as stated above the Initial Europe Doses are contracted to come from the EU not the UK.

www.druces.com/astrazeneca-eu-contract-what-it-really-says/[/quote]
That is an opinion - not fact.