EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

[Baileysforchristmas]

As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

@Wakeupin2022
The EUs big bets were Sanofi / Curevac.

The UK lucked out buying Pfizer and buying it early.

Talk about selective memory ...

Both the UK and the EU preordered several promising-looking vaccines. At the bottom of this page www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 there is an overview of how many doses of each vaccine the UK ordered. Pfizer is rather far down the list, more was ordered of "GlaxoSmithKline (joint project with Sanofi)" – I am sure if it had been successful, it would have been hailed as the success of GlaxoSmithKline, but now all everybody here is talking about is the failure of Sanofi.

[quote Guinan]@Wakeupin2022
The EUs big bets were Sanofi / Curevac.

The UK lucked out buying Pfizer and buying it early.

Talk about selective memory ...

Both the UK and the EU preordered several promising-looking vaccines. At the bottom of this page www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833 there is an overview of how many doses of each vaccine the UK ordered. Pfizer is rather far down the list, more was ordered of "GlaxoSmithKline (joint project with Sanofi)" – I am sure if it had been successful, it would have been hailed as the success of GlaxoSmithKline, but now all everybody here is talking about is the failure of Sanofi.[/quote]
Yet it was referred to as Sanofi before it failed

See here

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN24F1FS

TUE JUL 14, 2020 / 8:11 AM EDT
Macron says France will be among first to get Sanofi vaccine

A lot of this type of thing is unjustified.

What is it the equivalent of a tantrum when things don’t work out?

@Itsalonghaul

I genuinely believe this is about France.

Macron has resisted a lockdown since lockdown as he fears the yellow vest movement will return along with the riots - they are all simmering for a fight now (this does not look good for his election chances) and he seems to actually believe he is at least as good, if not better than his own scientists and professors. That ego out on full display. So he has ignored everyone and continued to plough on with the halfway house measures that does nothing to reduce the infection and nothing to make his country feel any better - it is still rubbish but without the progress on the covid front, hoping that the spring will arrive and it will solve the problem! He apparently believes covid is seasonal, and will solve the problem for him.

Only now they are on 45,000 infections every day - at least - half the country is now in a lockdown and those in cities fled to the country therefore spreading covid everywhere. And he is taking a good look at the carnage that is taking place in the hospitals, he is taking a very good look at the chances of avoiding a third wave (nill) and he is assessing the economic damage and the fact that there will be another lost summer. And he is getting very very angry indeed.

The vaccines failed, that was a national embarrassment, it shouldn't have been, as every effort is worthy of praise, but the French felt it very personally, seeing it as further proof that the country is going to the dogs.

Le Pen is breathing down his neck in the polls, and what does that even mean to their membership of the EU, further integration and all the rest.

Across the channel at the UK where they are celebrating the end of the lockdown, looking forward to a spring and summer with very declining numbers. Vaccine roll out is going really well, and everyone is uplifted.

He has seen red.
Lost his shit and decided to try and make us pay.

He is incandescent with rage and jealousy. Brexit Britain is supposed to be a broken, smouldering pile of rubble, not enjoying one of the most successful vaccine programmes in the world with their world class scientists. The NHS was supposed to collapse, our trade was supposed to diminish - none of is this has worked out at all.

So now we see this before us.....the backlash - the revenge.

He will do all he can to prevent those second doses, make no mistake.

And Majestic has run out of wine...... well, except French wine, lots and lots and lots of French wine on the shelves. Literally nothing else .

The insults are getting worse for AZ, funny how they won’t say who as they would be taken to court so quickly

www.politico.eu/article/draghi-some-pharma-companies-may-have-double-sold-vaccines/

This is sad reading 🙁 The EU should be ashamed.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/26/how-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-became-a-political-football-and-a-pr-disaster

BBC News - Coronavirus: France accuses UK of 'blackmail' over vaccine exports. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56540149

The situation is more bizarre by the minute. The French Foreign Minister has accused the UK of blackmail but not explained how and for some reason thinks our vaccine strategy is the cause of the EU's slow roll out.

I wish they'd get on with sorting their supply problems out and stop trying to drag the UK into it. I use to think the EU wasn't short of calm diplomats but they seem increasingly emotional; their frankly irrational behaviour is quite frightening.

The EU are so enraged that we won’t hand over UK vaccines they are losing their minds, just put jabs in arms, by the time you run out of supplies, the drug companies will probably have more doses available.

@NewYearNewTwatName

MRex Well I'm not sure about the 10mil suddenly appearing.

10mil or was it 9mil was the figure that was used at the end of January when they kicked off. I'm pretty sure I read some where last month that we now had enough Pfizer to do second doses. Mainly because I remember telling my dad not to worry and about his 2nd Pfizer jab.
I think end January was a bigger issue for us because we were waiting on shipment of Pfizer.

What you need to think about is the EU won't have been monitoring Pfizer with the same scrutiny as they have AZ. So lots of MEPs won't have actual figures in front of them, but rely on hear say, Which with the commission wanting to draw attention to AZ and the UK AZ. So again focus is/was on what they are supposedly doing or not doing.

I'm really suss on the figures and wonder where they come . I remember the drama in January announced export ban when they kicked off then went bat shit with article 16. I'm pretty sure within a few weeks maybe within those 2 weeks a pfizer delivery was due and gove and Boris said he had constructive conversation with udvl about honouring contracts and more pfizer arrived. Boris has always been cagey about shipment its why he had a go at nicola sturgeon for wanting publish them. If we ordered 40million then 10million per quarter would be reasonable We at end if quarter 1 and pfizer saying they revised everyone orders down equally in January. I am shocked udvl says we have 20million pfizer and only 1 million az from Europe. Does the export ban they implemented in jan don't all vaccine manufacturers have to ask EU for permission to ship. Technically then revealing I guess in ideal world would be confidential information so are privy to amount pfizer sent which really is none of EU business
What they maybe don't have access to is true amount sent from India or how much we produce domestically.

We just thrown so many big numbers this week..
29million hidden in Italy which appears France still don't believe it wasent bound for uk

A extra 10million phizer bonanza to be shared and argued by the block .
I bet ursela from the block is ecstatic she used to have a little now she has a lot.
Why have pfizer found a extra 10million.
In addition to whatever amount they find at Netherlands factory when they finally authorise it.
Also whatever they can steal from other counties 250k Australia's as the block need it more.

Still can't believe az not made some strong public statements.
Or that Australia's not sought legal action.

It will go quiet for a couple weeks.
Until macron has another tantrum.
Until they reach end April and they realise they still don't have much..
That they still vaccinating at snails speed and infection rising them they will strike and ban exports..
I don't think this is the end at all..
Theres more to come

[quote Baileysforchristmas]The insults are getting worse for AZ, funny how they won’t say who as they would be taken to court so quickly

www.politico.eu/article/draghi-some-pharma-companies-may-have-double-sold-vaccines/[/quote]
If I was AZ, I would now be taking legal advice on whether this was undermines the contractual relationship to the point where they can reasonably refund and walk away.

@Wakeupin2022
Az were over ambitious but even then the EU should have been asking questions and realising it wasn't really that feasible.

The EU – in good faith – signed a contract with AZ naming four production plants, including two in the UK. Now these two plants are used exclusively to supply the UK because allegedly there was a previous and/or better contract.
So basically AZ offered a contract under false pretenses and you are saying it's the EU's fault for not realising? (And UK politicians are gloating about it while at the same time accusing the EU of vaccine nationalism.)
If this is how much contracts involving the UK are worth, I am sure the EU will do better next time and not try to buy anything from the UK again. Might seem better for you right now, but seems a very poor long-term economic strategy.

They didn’t buy from the UK it was from AZ, what a strange thing to say

not try to buy anything from the UK again

Very odd take. They are not buying from the U.K.

Even MEPs cite AZ not U.K. at fault.

FOJN

FFS I was hoping it would all die down again for a while. But This has just gone beyond ridiculous now.

Can no body control the vicious dangerous mouth pieces that are trying to swing their dicks about?

I really want AZ to sue fucking arse off them all. I feel so sad and angry for AZ.

@Guinan - the EU contracted with the Swedish Astrazeneca in Belgium, with a clause 5.1 stating that 300m Initial Doses would come from EU manufacturing and clause 5.4 that 100m Additional Doses (optional) might use EU or UK manufacturing but AZ would have to agree separately if it wanted them to come from another plant.
It is not signed in the law of England and Wales, it is not a UK limited company and there are no UK manufacturing inclusions for Initial Doses.
Please point to what UK did wrong?

The EU – in good faith – signed a contract with AZ naming four production plants, including two in the UK

OH FUCK OFF, we been through this time and time again. You know the answer it will not change, because you are wrong. stop with the bullshit now.

The EU – in good faith – signed a contract with AZ naming four production plants, including two in the UK.

Identifying the production plants tells us nothing about other terms in the contract and I would argue that haggling over the price of a vaccine supplied at cost does not meet the definition of good faith.

And UK politicians are gloating about it while at the same time accusing the EU of vaccine nationalism.

I genuinely haven't seen any sign of this. I think UK politicians have been remarkably restrained, as said above. And I say this as someone who isn't keen on Boris Johnson.

Have you got an example?

@NewYearNewTwatName

The EU – in good faith – signed a contract with AZ naming four production plants, including two in the UK

OH FUCK OFF, we been through this time and time again. You know the answer it will not change, because you are wrong. stop with the bullshit now.

I have to agree, the persistent finger in ears and inability to admit being wrong is frustrating

It does look like the EU at the moment are only going to block AZ vaccines leaving Europe if that is the case our vaccine rollout won’t be effected to much but will effect the European countries hugely, pharmaceutical companies will be leaving there droves after this.

ASTRAZENECA LATEST: On Friday, Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton stated that the AstraZeneca vaccines would not leave the bloc until the company’s delivery commitments would be fulfilled.

“Of course, AstraZeneca has been an issue … We had a problem with this company,” Breton said. “We have the tools and will make sure everything stays in Europe until the company will come back to its commitments.”

from the guardian link above

Sir John Bell, the Oxford University professor who helped drive the vaccine’s development, suggested morale at AstraZeneca is plummeting and that it had never received due credit for its decision to take no profit. Others are making fortunes Moderna expects $18bn in revenue this year from the vaccine and Pfizer/BioNTech $15bn

and yet AZ are painted as some nasty money grabbing shady organisation? for not making a profit so all countries can afford it and making a vaccine that is easy to manufacture and distributed?

The EU – in good faith – signed a contract with AZ naming four production plants, including two in the UK

So let me phrase it a different way- the EU knew we had a contract. They knew what our manufacturing capability was. They knew UK govt intended to supply the 100 million doses from UK 1st. That was all out in the open.

So why exactly did the EU try to get the UK doses?

I will counter your argument thatAZ promised the eU this. I will say that AZ told the EU that UK plants would be available when UK supplied. And that would be used as the order for initial EU doses would need to be completed.

So again, why is the EU trying to take the 2 million doses a week we make?

@NewYearNewTwatName

from the guardian link above

Sir John Bell, the Oxford University professor who helped drive the vaccine’s development, suggested morale at AstraZeneca is plummeting and that it had never received due credit for its decision to take no profit. Others are making fortunes Moderna expects $18bn in revenue this year from the vaccine and Pfizer/BioNTech $15bn

and yet AZ are painted as some nasty money grabbing shady organisation? for not making a profit so all countries can afford it and making a vaccine that is easy to manufacture and distributed?

I feel real despair and irritation at this

Everyone who has behaved so badly and flung criticism at AZ is responsible for putting them or anyone doing at cost again.

And I feel for them that morale is low.

What awful grabby things people can be.

the EU, and European state politicians are desperate.
France and Germany have elections on the way.
Deflection is the name of the game.

The EU team who signed the contract knew AZ already had an order with the UK, AZ told them at the time it was a big ask, the EU order would come after the UK’s order was fulfilled, that’s why they put in best effort, the CEO said this in his interview, I don’t know if there was some misunderstanding somewhere or someone forgot to tell UVDL, as she did look shocked when she found out but whatever team signed the contract knew. There most be documentation, emails where this was highlighted before the documents were signed.