EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

Curious.. the irony of questioning my English considering the incoherence of the original sentence but okay then

It’s not incoherent at all to anyone who has a basic grasp of English... which clearly you don’t

@nonono1 is right they should suffer economicly teach them a lesson maybe they should of thought about that before rubbishing our vaccine maybe next time they wont haggle about price

@nonono1

Curious.. the irony of questioning my English considering the incoherence of the original sentence but okay then

It’s not incoherent at all to anyone who has a basic grasp of English... which clearly you don’t

haha its probably ursala that why they dont understand English.

Halix plus another Pfizer manufacturing site approved. www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/increase-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity-supply-covid-19-vaccines-astrazeneca-biontechpfizer-moderna

This is good news!

@Motorina

Halix plus another Pfizer manufacturing site approved. www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/increase-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity-supply-covid-19-vaccines-astrazeneca-biontechpfizer-moderna

This is good news!

as long as they don't ban the exports :D

Excellent news, now hopefully the bickering will stop and we all get on with vaccinating, jabs in arms people.

I think it's time Boris made a public statement about precisely what we have received from private companies that are based within the EU and what has been sent the other way in terms of Pfizer components and expertise. He ought to publicly spell out what financial/expertise contribution the UK has made and what our contract with AZ obligates the supply chains here to provide.
A timely and public reminder that AZ is a not for profit vaccine wouldn't go amiss either.
Time the UK govt stopped allowing the EU to publicly lie frame the narrative.

I support the silence from No10, they don't need to say anything at all. They just need to stand back with a dignified silence and let the EU show the whole world what kind of place it is.

Boris should simply reassure his own people that the vaccines are being carefully monitored and distributed, and be honest about any shortfalls/delays. We all know this is not the fault of the UK (for once) so he can afford to be transparent, and not get involved at all in the dog fight taking place in the EU. Thankfully we no longer need to get involved. As much as they are trying to drag us into it, we should resist.

A simple message of reassurance if possible, and let the EU continue to embarrass themselves.

The EU now looks like a basket case WITHOUT the UK not the other way around, it looks like the UK have left and it has descended into chaos.

The optics on this are so interesting, anyone looking in would say the UK was the steadying influence, and without it they are unable to manage (it may not be true but it does look that way now)

LongHaul I agree entirely. Keep reassuring we’ll meet target and carry on.

That outline of conference is very interesting. It would appear the actual conversation is, in reality less about us, but more infighting.

We can really stand away from that.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

I think it's time Boris made a public statement about precisely what we have received from private companies that are based within the EU and what has been sent the other way in terms of Pfizer components and expertise. He ought to publicly spell out what financial/expertise contribution the UK has made and what our contract with AZ obligates the supply chains here to provide. A timely and public reminder that AZ is a not for profit vaccine wouldn't go amiss either. Time the UK govt stopped allowing the EU to publicly lie frame the narrative.

His silence has done much of that, hasn't it? He's been on the phone to many heads of Europe, probably making many of those points but as part of a conversation!

His podium appeareance and some Commons speeches have leaned hevily on the not for profit, sending our European cousins all the help we can in their time of need, freely, blah blah.

I suspect there will be a nod to the DM or FT ir simialr and they will do all the publishing required. And Mr Peston needs some brownie points, maybe he'll do some real work for a change and make a clear point ot two!

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

I think it's time Boris made a public statement about precisely what we have received from private companies that are based within the EU and what has been sent the other way in terms of Pfizer components and expertise. He ought to publicly spell out what financial/expertise contribution the UK has made and what our contract with AZ obligates the supply chains here to provide. A timely and public reminder that AZ is a not for profit vaccine wouldn't go amiss either. Time the UK govt stopped allowing the EU to publicly lie frame the narrative.

DH personally knows several individuals who have been physically on-site helping production efforts, as well as intellectual expertise from the UK. However, how can you quantify that? I don't think the EU will care, they are adamant in focusing on "units".

I actually think it has been a politically astute to speak only in terms of general principles and broad strokes about the vaccines and not broadcast the specifics of our inventory.

Boris would do well to follow Napoleon on this: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
(But of course not to follow Napoleon invading Russia, it's never a good idea to invade Russia even if it isn't winter).

Boris would do well to follow Napoleon on this: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

Ha very good

@FourTeaFallOut

I actually think it has been a politically astute to speak only in terms of general principles and broad strokes about the vaccines and not broadcast the specifics of our inventory.

Gosh yes

I’ve heard the figure 10m bandied about so much by MEPs and it doesn’t sound as it’s correct

However, how can you quantify that?

You can withdraw services and then see how valuable you become?

Time the UK govt stopped allowing the EU to publicly lie frame the narrative.

Thinks about how much of the narrative here has been framed by the way a lot of this has been reported in the UK MSM, and goes .

@notimagain

Time the UK govt stopped allowing the EU to publicly lie frame the narrative.

Thinks about how much of the narrative here has been framed by the way a lot of this has been reported in the UK MSM, and goes .

Yep! Silence is far preferable, now I think on it a bit more!

Silence is power, sometimes.

I have been wondering. Just a couple of days ago, we had 10m doses of Pfizer from the EU. Lots of conversations. Suddenly on the day of the debate it became 20m. Did Alexander de Croo decide too just approve and send it quickly because he disagreed so strongly with the EC? It's Belgium that risk losing the most if this silliness continues, because they have so much of the European pharmaceutical industry.
I wonder if the UK has a quiet friend.

It is the political equivalent of the MN favoured grey rock technique. How everyone has stayed on script and hasn't publicly lost their shit is a level of discipline I wouldn't have credited them with prior to all of this.

God me either.

And look how emotional the EU is appearing

I was quite surprised at that. An MEP really going for it on R4 and that conversation below. Plus some tweets

I genuinely believe this is about France.

Macron has resisted a lockdown since lockdown as he fears the yellow vest movement will return along with the riots - they are all simmering for a fight now (this does not look good for his election chances) and he seems to actually believe he is at least as good, if not better than his own scientists and professors. That ego out on full display. So he has ignored everyone and continued to plough on with the halfway house measures that does nothing to reduce the infection and nothing to make his country feel any better - it is still rubbish but without the progress on the covid front, hoping that the spring will arrive and it will solve the problem! He apparently believes covid is seasonal, and will solve the problem for him.

Only now they are on 45,000 infections every day - at least - half the country is now in a lockdown and those in cities fled to the country therefore spreading covid everywhere. And he is taking a good look at the carnage that is taking place in the hospitals, he is taking a very good look at the chances of avoiding a third wave (nill) and he is assessing the economic damage and the fact that there will be another lost summer. And he is getting very very angry indeed.

The vaccines failed, that was a national embarrassment, it shouldn't have been, as every effort is worthy of praise, but the French felt it very personally, seeing it as further proof that the country is going to the dogs.

Le Pen is breathing down his neck in the polls, and what does that even mean to their membership of the EU, further integration and all the rest.

Across the channel at the UK where they are celebrating the end of the lockdown, looking forward to a spring and summer with very declining numbers. Vaccine roll out is going really well, and everyone is uplifted.

He has seen red.
Lost his shit and decided to try and make us pay.

He is incandescent with rage and jealousy. Brexit Britain is supposed to be a broken, smouldering pile of rubble, not enjoying one of the most successful vaccine programmes in the world with their world class scientists. The NHS was supposed to collapse, our trade was supposed to diminish - none of is this has worked out at all.

So now we see this before us.....the backlash - the revenge.

He will do all he can to prevent those second doses, make no mistake.

@FourTeaFallOut

It is the political equivalent of the MN favoured grey rock technique. How everyone has stayed on script and hasn't publicly lost their shit is a level of discipline I wouldn't have credited them with prior to all of this.

It's quite horrifying, I am beginning to have grudging respect for the government!

MRex Well I'm not sure about the 10mil suddenly appearing.

10mil or was it 9mil was the figure that was used at the end of January when they kicked off. I'm pretty sure I read some where last month that we now had enough Pfizer to do second doses. Mainly because I remember telling my dad not to worry and about his 2nd Pfizer jab.
I think end January was a bigger issue for us because we were waiting on shipment of Pfizer.

What you need to think about is the EU won't have been monitoring Pfizer with the same scrutiny as they have AZ. So lots of MEPs won't have actual figures in front of them, but rely on hear say, Which with the commission wanting to draw attention to AZ and the UK AZ. So again focus is/was on what they are supposedly doing or not doing.