EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

A couple of tweets regarding the likelyhood of not for profit solutions in the next crisis:

twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/1375039891919269893

twitter.com/AdrienneKlasa/status/1375039700503781376

@PronounssheRa
By the sounds of the news reports the EU have been in no hurry to contract with Novavax.

Without over-simplifying things it reminds me of when my son used to want to pre-order the newest FIFA PS game each year.

I would pay for it months in advance and it would turn up whenever it turned up.

Anybody who wanted to buy one who didn't pre-order would have to wait until the pre-orders had been fulfilled.

(Obviously not exactly the same)

I don’t think the EU will stop Pfizer exports to the UK

EU export restrictions on Covid-19 vaccines present a “lose-lose” situation for everyone, including EU members, a Pfizer executive said, a day after the bloc tightened its oversight of shot deliveries beyond its borders.

“We have observed these recent developments with concern,” Sabine Bruckner, Swiss country manager for Pfizer, said at a Swiss government press conference.

“Our executive leadership has been in direct contact with the European Union. Our position has been laid out, we are very critical, we can’t support it at all,” she added. “Should it really come to export restrictions, that would be a ‘lose-lose’ situation for everyone, also for the members of the EU.”

Bloc leaders are likely to shy away from supporting the use of new powers to block Covid vaccine shipments to countries with better jab coverage such as the UK, according to a draft statement before a meeting of the bloc’s heads of state and government.

So basically the last week they’ve just stormed off , caused damage with pharmaceutical companies and foreign affairs and will achieve ... nothing ? Well , some people in Europe saying how az should be punished and brought to court ... but why haven’t they done it yet ?

I don’t think the EU will stop Pfizer exports to the UK
I hope not but I am no longer surprised by anything.

@EasterIssland - they can't. www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-commission-contract-astrazeneca-ties-hands-lawsuits/

[quote Motorina]@EasterIssland - they can't. www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-commission-contract-astrazeneca-ties-hands-lawsuits/[/quote]
That’s what I’d have thought that if the Eu doesn’t do it is because they can they’re undermining the trust on the vaccine at the end of the daay

[quote Motorina]@EasterIssland - they can't. www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-commission-contract-astrazeneca-ties-hands-lawsuits/[/quote]
Interesting: Most of the contract is good for the EU, including language that ... clarifies that British plants are supposed to be part of the EU supply chain.

But that’s once the fist 300m roses have been supplied I believe. Right now I think it’s like 30 what they’ve done

Not roses ! Doses

From what I have been reading today the 21 million exported have been 1 million AZ / 20 million Pfizer.

That probably means we have near enough Pfizer for 2nd dose.

AZ is less of an issue.

Moderna to come next month.

J&J big shortage to EU (we are due delivery in July)

Novavax won't sign contract with EU yet.

I don't think stopping exports of Pfizer will have the devastating impact the EU hoped. But we could pull the plug on a lot of their Pfizer (hopefully not).

I think its really just a lot of noise, trying to blame everyone and their granny for their cock up.

As for AZ / EU, I think its true that some of the Initial doses have to come from the UK.

But that's the whole order for 300 million I think. Which is probably likely once UK plants have supplied UK.

@Guinan - it depends, I think, on what you mean by that. I've certainly read some lawyers argue (sorry, no links) that this is permissive rather than obligatory. I.e. it allows Az to use doses made in the two UK sites to supply without having to seek further EU permission (as they would have to for doses made in India, for example), but does not require them to do so.

The doses made in the UK are owned by AZ UK, a different legal entity from AZ AB,. The EU have their contract with AZ AB. So I assume (don't know) this would mean AZ AB effectively buying the doses from AZ UK.

I can see that a 'best efforts' contract might place an obligation on AZ AB to ask to buy them; I can't see any way it would obligate AZ UK to agree to sell them.

I am not a lawyer, and this is all speculative. I guess my key point is, whilst it's easy to pick a paragraph here or there to support any position you want to take, unless you're a lawyer with expertise in Belgian law, who has seen the whole contract and can look at those clauses in context, then you're at best guessing.

20 million Pfizer
That includes Israel's doses.

I am not a lawyer, and this is all speculative
Yet you seem to have a better understanding of it than UvdL

(I genuinely mean that even though it sounds like I am being sarcastic)

That includes Israel's doses.

Not its not. The UK has had 21 million doses since December.

1 million of those doses was AZ

Not its not. The UK has had 21 million doses since December
Do you have a link for that?

twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1375101477233029123?s=19

Not 100% confirmed but he is pretty reliable and not seen it contradicted. Also seems reasonable as most of our AZ is homegrown.

It was said today by UVLD at the summit

Ursula von der Leyen has revealed to EU leaders that 21m doses of Covid vaccine have been exported to the UK from suppliers based in the bloc’s member states as she emphasised the need to secure jabs at home.

@Wakeupin2022

That includes Israel's doses.

Not its not. The UK has had 21 million doses since December.

1 million of those doses was AZ

Ok that’s good and maybe why we’re not as stressed about Pfizer second dose

The report today that 20M Pfizer / 1M AZ doses have been exported to the UK ( www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/25/eu-leaders-told-bloc-has-sent-21m-covid-vaccine-doses-to-the-uk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other ) doesn't look good for the EU - it looks exactly in line with what was expected (about 5M Pfizer doses a month and a very small amount of AZ). Hard for them to complain that the UK is getting "their" AZ doses in a scenario where almost all the UK doses are actually coming from the UK (or India)...

So.... now all the reciprocity comes down to:

Here, have 1mill AZ to pop in your cupboard and now let's talk about Pfizer, components and all!

Ludicrous!

I do feel relieved today as my parents waiting on 2nd dose Pfizer.

Hopefully the threat of us stopping lipids is enough to get remaining Pfizer & then the others.

AZ well we don't need EU supply and had no intention I don't think of taking it. So they've got their knickers in a lot about nothing.

Let's hope they start getting more AZ now.

*knot not lot