EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

Very good post @Dissimilitude, I agree with everything you’ve said.

Apparently the problem is that the EU were just too naïve and trusting.

Oh purlease!

Apparently the problem is that the EU were just too naïve and trusting

Angela Merkel naive and trusting? I don't think so.

I think she's lost the plot and lost her grip, but that's a different matter.

Lovely gesture by Poland, but I suspect that politics may also be at play there, showing their support for NATO to distance themselves from Russia? Given how many countries are looking to Russia to help with supplies of vaccines right now.

My parents had Pfizer, so I think there must be second doses kept back
The numbers seem to indicate otherwise but hopefully contract law will prevail

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

My parents had Pfizer, so I think there must be second doses kept back.

Pfizer is still coming in, at present, and there will be a supply (a few days? WHo knows? The UK government has been very cagey) in the country.

There won't be all the second doses in a warehouse somewhere as that would defeat the purpose of increasing the time between doses to speed the primary dose roll out.

I'm glad your patents have had yours without issue.

My daughter is 16yrs old and CEV and is waiting for her second dose of Pfizer (which is the only one licenced for under 18's).

It's sickening that the EU are threatening to withold second vaccines for desperately sick children as a bargaining tool.

Not sure what they are thinking but it won't be forgotten.

There was some talk, when export bans were first threatened, that blocking second doses of vaccine coming into the UK, would be a human rights violation that could be challenged on that basis.

From The Spectator: It is a fiction to paint some countries as hogging all the vaccines while the poor little EU struggles to get to the front of the queue. By signing vaccine deals early, countries like the UK pledged to fund vaccine development. The EU in signing late helped everyone less. The world has less vaccine because the EU failed. The EU has less vaccine because the EU failed.

Really interesting read as Austria and 5 other eu members states are going to appeal the distribution of vaccines as they feel its unfair.
The issue is with 27 very different countries its hard to please them all..
The EU said Austrias own fault as they ordered more astrazeneca .
I don't know how much of Sanofi or curevac they ordered as they were expected sooner.

I think there maybe few cross words with each other.

They clearly don't want to upset the USA.

I still don't get the plan to magically make az come up with millions of doses they don't have.

www.independent.co.uk/news/eu-leaders-faced-with-surge-of-infections-vaccine-issues-astrazeneca-european-commission-brussels-united-kingdom-europe-b1822262.html

www.euronews.com/2021/03/12/eu-s-covid-vaccine-distribution-is-unfair-says-austrian-chancellor-sebastian-kurz

When Italian leader says he wants to suffocate pharmaceutical companies

When we hear of raids on factories.
Seizing and blocking
Making them pay God knows what vaccine companies are thinking today .

My daughter is 16yrs old and CEV and is waiting for her second dose of Pfizer (which is the only one licenced for under 18's)

I can see why you are sickened delicious I am sickened for you. Your child needs their second dose. It is a life saving vaccine ffs.

There is no way I would forget if someone was holding my child's vaccine to ransom either. And your post has made me feel so angry.

This just is not right!! You must have already been through a full year of being worried sick for her if she is CEV.

Itsalonghaul Thankyou.

The Childrens' hospitals have had a really tough time with this. So many of their patients sheilding with little hope of a way out.

Being able to vaccinate some of the older critically ill children was a blessing but they are now worried. It's pathetic to use sick children as political pawns.
The vaccines have been bought and paid for in good faith. Nothing to do with the EU.

Has anyone posted this yet?

Personally I think that it is shocking that the "gap" was extended to 12 weeks when this leaves no "leeway" if there are issues in supply.

Issues in supply can be caused by so many things not just the EU mess.

Fail.... sorry that didn't work. I will try to explain.

Germany, France, Italy, Spain - on left, graph showing from 1m/2m/3m of doses of AZ used and in stock. It's in the Telegraph and from ECDC stats.

Has anyone posted this yet?
What is it?

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Sadly I don't think eu are thinking about repercussions for children.
Delicious 🌶 hope your daughter gets 2ne vaccine soon.

Astrazeneca has been suspended for another 3 weeks in Denmark.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/25/eu-leaders-push-back-against-blocs-plans-to-halt-covid-vaccine-export

Hopefully its just another blow up of words no action.
I just worry about April..

We admitted when we locked down jan that the old measures were not enough contain new varient.
A few of EU countries struggling right how seem to be resisting lockdowns and have looser restrictions than we have.
Did they not see what happened here.
Some seem to think time is on their side.
April is the 1st month of 2nd quarter theres a good chance they won't get all they ordered then what?

Macron has the election coming up, he wants to avoid the lockdown at all costs, the man is a complete fool and it is going to be really bad when in three weeks in France. If anything he has made things worse by scattering infected Parisians far and wide.

I know that this opinion won't go down to well here but here I go.

Regardless of what the EU are doing which is disgusting, the way in which the second doses were deferred in favour of so many first doses was IMHO quite reckless.

@StarCat2020

I know that this opinion won't go down to well here but here I go.

Regardless of what the EU are doing which is disgusting, the way in which the second doses were deferred in favour of so many first doses was IMHO quite reckless.

but why? The AZ vaccine has been shown to be MORE effective with a 12 week gap.

but why? The AZ vaccine has been shown to be MORE effective with a 12 week gap
Because it leaves no room for error at all.

Even a 10 week gap would have given a little leeway.

Only my opinion though

@StarCat2020

but why? The AZ vaccine has been shown to be MORE effective with a 12 week gap Because it leaves no room for error at all.

Even a 10 week gap would have given a little leeway.

Only my opinion though

I thought it had borne out from data that JCVI decision was a good one

I never thought I'd like something this man said , I might need to go and get checked by a GP today after this

The EU has been overly cautious and budget conscious over Covid vaccines and should step back from waging a “stupid vaccine war” with Britain, the former European commission president Jean-Claude Juncker has said.

Juncker, who was replaced by Ursula von der Leyen in 2019, compared the EU’s approach to vaccination unfavourably with that of Britain where the rollout has been speedier.

He also said he was “not a fan” of the commission’s export authorisation mechanism under which officials have been empowered to prohibit shipments.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/25/jean-claude-juncker-criticises-eu-over-covid-vaccine-spat-with-uk

I thought it had borne out from data that JCVI decision was a good one
What exact data though?

(Not getting at you BTW just Make-It-Up-Matt)

I understand why you feel that way star but the safest way to ensure that we do not end up in a bad way again is to give as many people as possible some protection.
It is far better to vaccinate millions with some protection, than just a small group that are fully vaccinated but the covid is still ripping through the population. Particularly as the overall aim is not to eliminate covid, but to control it as far as possible. We have to come out of lockdown, therefore the best way we can do that is by ensuring most people have some protection, and it IS working.