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EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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Baileysforchristmas · 24/03/2021 11:29

As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

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Itsalonghaul · 25/03/2021 09:20

Figures in France are horrendous.They should be in a full lockdown, the longer they delay the worse it will be.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/03/2021 09:20

I posted this on another thread. has some interesting numbers and opinions!

euobserver.com/coronavirus/151334

I'm still digesting some of it, but the mis drection and obfuscation is weird!

AZ promised delivery in the first 2 quarters and haven't delivered... it's still March isn't it?

And the usual hold us and hiccups, and UK help, and just have fucking patience. If we do this without the bluster it will get done quicker!

EasterIssland · 25/03/2021 09:22

@MRex

Back to the BBC article quoting without challenge that the EU sent the UK 10m doses and the UK sent none. The EU has had about 47m Pfizer BioNTec doses and many more in manufacture. Can anyone say how many they would have had without the UK's Yorkshire ingredients? How about the Oxford Astrazeneca starter that was sent, how many doses would they have had without that?
And it's bollocks it's not the UE but private companies,,, am I right thinking that the new export ban that they want to do wouldn't affect the UK as they'd reciprocate because the UK is sending components ?
Itsalonghaul · 25/03/2021 09:22

'Steady' is not always a word we associate with President Biden - certainly he is far more civil Grin

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/03/2021 09:23

Macron is anti lockdown and seems to think he's a scientist..
Hes always has to be in control.

www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-superhero-president-france-election-2022/

Jesus. And people moan about Johnson being "the absolute worst!"

mumsneedwine · 25/03/2021 09:25

The EU have sent nothing. The pharmaceutical companies gave sent doses to fulfil the contracts they signed. AZ and Oxford have supplied the set up of each AZ production line (at cost) and currently have 7 staff there to help speed up production, which has been slow in EU factories compared to others.
The EU does not own goods made in member countries. And UK companies have supplied loads of the components fir all vaccines. It is an international supply chain - something I don't think EU leaders understand. Which is scary.
Hopefully this mess will be sorted out, and if Europe want to stop their infection rate they need to lockdown like UK. It's unpleasant and hard, but it works.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/03/2021 09:25

@EasterIssland except they are giving Johnson the opportunity to look measured, magnanimous and state, repeatedly to us on a podium, to the Commons, to European heads, the the UK 'doesn't believe in doing that'.

StarCat2020 · 25/03/2021 09:28

And it's bollocks it's not the UE but private companies,,,
Exactly

am I right thinking that the new export ban that they want to do wouldn't affect the UK as they'd reciprocate because the UK is sending components
Who knows??

3asAbird · 25/03/2021 09:38

@CuriousaboutSamphire

*Macron is anti lockdown and seems to think he's a scientist.. Hes always has to be in control.*

www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-superhero-president-france-election-2022/

Jesus. And people moan about Johnson being "the absolute worst!"

Could macron lose the next election?

2022 long way off. Macron arrogance and ambition has been damaging towards the EU.
Hes very anti British. Anti Islam
He constantly trying to assert authority during brexit negotiations and what vaccines the eu brought.
Now he's one if the main ones pushing for a export ban.

Maybe his opponent a lawyer understands the rule of law better..

www.voanews.com/europe/could-2022-be-year-frances-le-pen

Is the virtual meeting this morning or all day.
Think its 2 day thing and not sure we know the results this week.
Case by case basis means blockages could happen any time within next 6 weeks.
I fail to see how we won't be caught up in it as they constantly repeating they sent us vaccines and we haven't.

Dissimilitude · 25/03/2021 09:41

Amazes me that people are willing to carry water for the EU over this. Their behaviour is unjustifiable, especially for an entity which proclaims loudly and often about having a "rules based system".

The U.K. has done absolutely nothing wrong, entered into a variety of perfectly sensible arrangements with global pharmaceutical companies with complex, international supply chains - so some of our vaccines (Pfizer, essentially) come from EU manufacturing sites. There are no UK pfizer manufacturing sites - the EU sites serve a variety of countries. AZ, meanwhile, had dedicated EU sites, and dedicated UK sites.

The E.U., angry with AZ for low yields in the EU plants, is making threats to reduce our Pfizer supplies (effectively seizing supply we have bought and paid for, overriding private property rights), wants a share of our domestic AZ supply, whilst waging a disinformation campaign about the very vaccine they say they want.

Disgraceful doesn't even cover it. And to top it off, even if they took all of our remaining Pfizer allocation, it is a drop in the ocean for their needs, with hundreds of millions of citizens. It is pure spite.

And they have the absolute brass balls to proclaim themselves the moral, high-minded world power?

MRex · 25/03/2021 09:42

Most important is that the UK gets the next 10m Pfizer doses asap.

Itsalonghaul · 25/03/2021 09:44

The biggest problem Macron will have is the third wave, and choosing to ignore his own scientists.

We know here what sadly is to come for France, and I can not think it will 'help' his election chances at all, especially given his ill advised comments around the vaccine will no doubt add to the death rate.
Le Pen now neck and neck with him according to the latest polls.

3asAbird · 25/03/2021 09:45

This was lovely move by Poland giving nato their vaccines.

How is Belgium doing?

www.politico.eu/article/poland-aims-to-protect-nato-allies-from-covid/

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/03/2021 09:49

[quote 3asAbird]This was lovely move by Poland giving nato their vaccines.

How is Belgium doing?

www.politico.eu/article/poland-aims-to-protect-nato-allies-from-covid/[/quote]
THAT is how it should be done.

Poland are in the midst of a case rise, their vaccination programme has slipped (not sure why) and they know that the number of doses required won't make much difference to their efforts. A bit like UK offering ROI help.

Baileysforchristmas · 25/03/2021 10:02

@Dissimilitude even if they banned Pfizer exports to us they can’t use as they don’t belong to the EU, they would sit in storage so it is pure spite to stop our rollout, that is all it will do.

www.politico.eu/article/health-crisis-takes-crazy-turns-as-eu-scrambles-to-address-scarcity-of-vaccines/

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StarCat2020 · 25/03/2021 10:09

they would sit in storage so it is pure spite to stop our rollout, that is all it will do
Or the owner (company) could choose to provide it to the EU

"the Commission hoped that by threatening to block exports, it would nudge companies into front-loading vaccine shipments to EU countries and delaying some of their shipments to countries with higher vaccination rates"

EasterIssland · 25/03/2021 10:13

@MRex

Most important is that the UK gets the next 10m Pfizer doses asap.
I've a friend getting her second today and as said im voluteering in my local gp this weekend and next one and we were told it's 2nd doses for over 80s, I'd have thought UK has got some Pfizer stock at the moment
MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 25/03/2021 10:26

Just in case anyone missed; t on the other thread and are worried about their second Pfizer dose, I did see an epidemiologist say that we could mix vaccines and have AZ for second dose and it would be okay. I think obviously better to have both the same but if needs must, we could get by with what we have, albeit roll out would be slower.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 25/03/2021 10:28

If I was CEO of AZ, I think I'd cease all production on the EU given their continuously appalling behaviour over this vaccine. I'd relocate my production expertise to countries that actually want it and value it.

3asAbird · 25/03/2021 10:33

I think the UK is keeping its cards close to chest on what exact stocks we have.
I also think there's probably talks behind scenes with pfizer, usa and India.
Boris is calm i think as something is keeping him calm if that makes sense.
If there's penalty clause in uk pfizer contract it will cost pfizer.
Current rules mean they cannot redistribute and use blocked vaccines exports but they could pass another emergency power law to say they can.
Is that not what article122 was about a few days ago?

www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/eu-threatens-vaccine-export-ban-prompting-uk-australian-backlash

If they don't then merely stopping exports is as much use a chocolate tea pot.

Davros · 25/03/2021 10:39

I had my second Ox-AZ vaccine yesterday, 8 weeks after the first. I'm 61 and CEV. No-one else I know has had their second dose, including some 70+ and 80+ although some do have an appointment

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 25/03/2021 10:43

I'm in Wales. Both my parents have had their 2nd doses and they weren't in the first groups to be vaccinated - parents are 70.
My county (Powys) has just opened up its second reserve list for 40+, where you can get called at shirt notice to get a vaccine if they have some left over from people who don't turn up for their appt.

UserEleventyNine · 25/03/2021 10:45

My mum, 80+, is having her second dose today. She doesn't know what she had, but I think it was AZ, based on the fact that she wasn't asked to wait 15 minutes after her first dose.

UserEleventyNine · 25/03/2021 10:47

She's in a Greater London borough.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 25/03/2021 10:49

My parents had Pfizer, so I think there must be second doses kept back.

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