Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

@Parker231

Ana - vulnerable people in other European countries have not had their vaccines so shouldn’t be put at risk by U.K. visitors. My parents in Belgium have only just had one vaccination and many of their friends (over 70’s) are still waiting.

Not everyone is going to Europe. And may be visiting others who have also had both their vaccinations.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

It would seem that many, many people disagree. A rise in cases is inevitable given the return of school children, we just have to hold firm. This is not going away and we need to learn to live with it.

I suggest you look at the data of positive cases from the testing in schools as this has not been the case at all

And untreated teeth can have very serious health effects. Can't get even private appointments easily.
Oh yes. Just before the pandemic began, my body suddenly decided to grow shark-sized wisdom teeth, in an elegant perpendicular fashion to already existing, boring old teeth. Thank you body, that's very helpful.
I had to have an emergency impacted wisdom tooth extraction, and had to wait a couple of weeks for a private appointment, immediately after the first lockdown - the queues were unreal. And there was a charge for PPE too, I think, somewhere around £150, and I could see why - the suits of the dentist and his assistant looked properly space tourist-grade.

And yet the wealthy elite have a get put of jail free card. Travelling to arrange for a holiday home to be put up for sale or rent is allowed. So there's the real powers that be allowed to travel to their sunshine 2nd homes......

You don't have to be a member of the 'wealthy elite' to have a holiday home abroad. I have known some - a firefighter, a builder, a car salesman, a teacher to name but a few. They were comfortable by the time they could afford that but ordinary people living in ordinary houses here, nothing flash about them. If they have to go to their foreign home to arrange to sell or let, that is business and can't be left. They have to observe regulations whilst there and quarantine when they come home.

@jessstan2

You don't have to be a member of the 'wealthy elite' to have a holiday home abroad. I have known some - a firefighter, a builder, a car salesman, a teacher to name but a few. They were comfortable by the time they could afford that but ordinary people living in ordinary houses here, nothing flash about them. If they have to go to their foreign home to arrange to sell or let, that is business and can't be left. They have to observe regulations whilst there and quarantine when they come home.

Especially now in some EU countries you can't stay longer than 90 days.

@jessstan2

You don't have to be a member of the 'wealthy elite' to have a holiday home abroad. I have known some - a firefighter, a builder, a car salesman, a teacher to name but a few. They were comfortable by the time they could afford that but ordinary people living in ordinary houses here, nothing flash about them. If they have to go to their foreign home to arrange to sell or let, that is business and can't be left. They have to observe regulations whilst there and quarantine when they come home.

Well that's an angle I hadn't thought of. Got to give people a chance to sell their second homes now they can't go to them at will post Brexit era!

Yes my friend will lie. How she can justify taking husband and three children with her for whatever BS reason she comes up with, I don’t know.

@User133847

Who the fuck are all these people who are happy to do nothing and go nowhere?

Maybe we don't want another shit winter and more lock downs if mass travel brings in dangerous variants from all over.

Lol your lot have been saying this all year. Pfizer exec says we have moved from pandemic to endemic, COVID is here to stay regardless of what anyone does.

We should be thankful it’s not very deadly to most people and get on with it.

@jessstan2
My son is engaged to an American girl who was going to move here last year to be with him but he can't go there and she cannot travel here. They last saw each other January last year when he went to here and prior to that, October 2019 when she visited. I don't know what is going to happen there, frankly.
This makes me do angry and sad for your son and his gf. There are fo many people whose lives have been ripped apart by arbitrary rules.
My son also has an American gf but luckily she has residence rights here and do was able to get back here for Uni in October after they had been apart since March.
It must be unbearable for those people separated from their partners.

Lifeturnsonadime: Well that's an angle I hadn't thought of. Got to give people a chance to sell their second homes now they can't go to them at will post Brexit era!
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It never occurred to me that people would be unable to go to their homes abroad because of Brexit. I assumed all would be back to normal when the virus is under control. I daresay some are panicking about the place being empty and feel it might be better to sell, they won't be able to let it if the country has lockdown too, I honestly don't know.

It would worry me sick to have the responsibility of a holiday home but I know people do enjoy them, especially when retired. They go off for six weeks or so, sometimes friends and family join them and they lend it to people they know. I'd find all the travelling a hassle but that's just me, definitely not a globe trotter.

[quote QuidditchQueen]@jessstan2
My son is engaged to an American girl who was going to move here last year to be with him but he can't go there and she cannot travel here. They last saw each other January last year when he went to here and prior to that, October 2019 when she visited. I don't know what is going to happen there, frankly.
This makes me do angry and sad for your son and his gf. There are fo many people whose lives have been ripped apart by arbitrary rules.
My son also has an American gf but luckily she has residence rights here and do was able to get back here for Uni in October after they had been apart since March.
It must be unbearable for those people separated from their partners.[/quote]
Neither one of them can move in either direction without a visa like a student visa or a fiance visa (for the UK), and you're allowed to travel in such cases for visa reasons (such as to obtain a visa in your home country or need to return to home country for immigration reasons). It should be something to look into even without Covid because you can't just move to either country for love, you need the appropriate visa.

@Bouny

Yes my friend will lie. How she can justify taking husband and three children with her for whatever BS reason she comes up with, I don’t know.

Quite easily, she believes the restrictions are absolutely ridiculous and will quarantine at home once they get back.

Quite easily, she believes the restrictions are absolutely ridiculous and will quarantine at home once they get back

She’s not wrong ...

@Nith

I'm really uncertain where I stand with regard to the right to family life issue for people with family abroad. Of course if I were in that position I'd want to see my family. But is there a case for saying that, by choosing to live in a different country, you've already decided to limit your own right to family life? And that that shouldn't trump the right to life of everyone else? I really don't want a return to the sort of death rates that we were seeing in January.

I'm really shocked by this comment. Have you never considered that some people are forced to move countries by circumstance?Or that children are born already having family members living in multiple countries? It isn't always a choice. Or in your view should people who move countries be told they are making a choice to limit a fundamental human right on behalf of future generations of their family that may or may not exist? What about those who live in the same country but hundreds of miles from their loved ones, do they deserve to see their families too? Or only when the Government decides it's ok?

Human rights do not apply on a sliding scale, this is such a dangerous idea.

Also @Nith do not forget that for those whose families live in the EU, those decisions about living in different countries were likely made when we had a right to free movement therefore people reasonably didn't expect any issue with being able to travel to each other. Yet another right that's been taken away from many of us without our consent.

[quote fromdownwest]@LemonTT

These measures were put in using some very very basic and untested modelling. The numbers have fallen well below the hard numbers that were used to introduce lockdown, yet they are being ignored in opening back up again.

We have a vaccine, the numbers are falling massively, I do not see why questioning why we are still in lockdown means I wear a tin hat.

If I have told you the following a year ago, then you would have thought I was crazy

-What I have to weat

• Whom I can see
• What I can buy in a super market (I live in Wales)
• My children will go without school for a year
• I can not see my family
• Travelling abroad is illegal
• I can not drive to a beach 9 miles away without being stopped and fined by the police
• The government can draft in theory any law they like overnight without any parlimenatary discussion or review

This is the reality of where we are, no tin foil hats, just a very very concerned citixen of a 'democratic' society.[/quote]
Agreed. Those who aren't concerned need to read more history books.

@Itsalonghaul

Please listen to me.

We are in a much WORSE position than last year.

Why? Because last year we only had one variant, the first one to deal. Comparatively it was not as infectious, not as dangerous and it generally just killed the very old or the very sick.

Now we have several, at least, variants circulating that are mutating all of the time.

If you had listened to SAGE you would know that they were extremely shocked and taken aback that so variants sprung up so quickly, so much faster than even in the worst case scenario they had planned for. Had the variants not arrived so swiftly, we would be a much better position.

This is not the fault of the government or SAGE, this is the virus wishing to survive against an onslaught of vaccines and medication.

We are at war, and until you realise that you are going to carry on bleating about holidays and your salon being closed.

We don't get to pick and choose what suits us about it. We have to win this war, for the sakes of our kids and our elderly, and our future - and we do so by making the right decisions, even unpopular ones that will protect us in the long run.

This time last year there were already tens of thousands of variants.

wigan Until science comes up with the solution, or we have managed to successfully vaccinate most of the planet and driven the virus into submission, then yes I do think overseas travels will be paused. It might be one or two years more, or a little longer.

If you think most of the planet will be vaccinated in one or two years you are delusional.

@jessstan2

Lifeturnsonadime: Well that's an angle I hadn't thought of. Got to give people a chance to sell their second homes now they can't go to them at will post Brexit era! ....... It never occurred to me that people would be unable to go to their homes abroad because of Brexit. I assumed all would be back to normal when the virus is under control. I daresay some are panicking about the place being empty and feel it might be better to sell, they won't be able to let it if the country has lockdown too, I honestly don't know.

It would worry me sick to have the responsibility of a holiday home but I know people do enjoy them, especially when retired. They go off for six weeks or so, sometimes friends and family join them and they lend it to people they know. I'd find all the travelling a hassle but that's just me, definitely not a globe trotter.

They can go to their homes abroad despite Brexit but unless they have applied for Residency or hold EU passports it's no longer possible to spend more than 90/180 days. The benefit of EU home ownership is therefore lower so many people will opt to sell.

Many people with homes abroad have local agencies in to maintain houses and use those agents for selling and to source properties which is why the exception is dubious to say the least.

My bet is a fair few people will want to travel to speculatively view properties, that won't be hard to demonstrate, or will want to go to do jobs with a view to selling, again what proof can they reasonably get for this. Very easy therefore for home owners or those who claim to be 'wannabe' home owners to flout this rule.

@poppycat10

Worth remembering that the U.K. is the country who let virus run wild so much that ut managed to develop a strain that caused problems. The same strain that is now creating problems in Europe (hence why they are now struggling with it too

That is incorrect, it developed in someone with long covid.

Which was far more likely to happen due to the huge number of infections resulting from inadequate infection controls measures at the start of the pandemic.

@bluebluezoo

I am wondering how that went away in about 18 months with no vaccinations and far inferior healthcare and yet this virus just won't bugger off

People died.

It basically took 18m to kill off everyone who was going to have severe effects.

We could have got rid of it in 18m by building huge palliative care wards and not actively treating anybody infected.

By now all your elderly, vulnerable, plus a few healthy susceptible people would be dead, leaving the rest of us who are lucky enough to only get moderate symptoms to carry on as normal.

Maybe Boris should have tried that?

That was his original plan...

@Itsalonghaul

A lot of US states didn't lock down very strongly, no major disasters really compared to the stricter ones

543k people have died in the US!!

What is your idea of major disaster if it is not over half a million people dying from one single virus ??

And how many more millions would be dead now had they just continued without restrictions. It actually doesn't bear thinking about. Most states introduced lockdowns, most states had lots of restrictions.

Some people have seriously lost their capacity to think clearly.

Their death rate per million population is much lower than that in the UK: 1675 vs ours at 1853.

Oh thats okay then, I am sure the US are completely relieved to lose half million people in less than a year magenta

@Itsalonghaul

Oh thats okay then, I am sure the US are completely relieved to lose half million people in less than a year magenta

Yet another disingenuous post. I didn't say that did I? I was pointing out that your apparent horror at the US numbers is misplaced considering the UK numbers are significantly worse.