Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

@Bouny

I’ve got a friend who’s planning to go to her second home (in continental Europe) at the weekend. For a holiday. Interested to see how that plays out...

Well she’s obviously intends to lie. Problem with her home that needs urgently rectifying

if the majority of arrivals won't be infected then why restrict our movement at all.?

I just think it must either be a public health necessity or not. If it is a public health necessity then you would think they would be at least as concerned about arrivals as leavers? And they would be concerned about all leisure leavers without exemptions for second homes etc.

Otherwise is the real reason something else, e.g. getting us to spend in the UK for the holidays, or some punishment for the OAZ mess on the continent?

@Bouny

I’ve got a friend who’s planning to go to her second home (in continental Europe) at the weekend. For a holiday. Interested to see how that plays out...

Me too, only his is in Spain. He thinks he can go and just say he's going home. I don't think he really understands yet that he can go but he will receive a £5k fine

Who the fuck are all these people who are happy to do nothing and go nowhere?

Maybe we don't want another shit winter and more lock downs if mass travel brings in dangerous variants from all over.

Seriously though, if there are exceptions for dental treatment, maintenance on second home, etc then that's what all these selfish twats will claim to be doing. And so Covid just keeps on and on travelling around courtesy of these idiots.

@lifeturnsonadime

if the majority of arrivals won't be infected then why restrict our movement at all.?

I just think it must either be a public health necessity or not. If it is a public health necessity then you would think they would be at least as concerned about arrivals as leavers? And they would be concerned about all leisure leavers without exemptions for second homes etc.

Otherwise is the real reason something else, e.g. getting us to spend in the UK for the holidays, or some punishment for the OAZ mess on the continent?

I agree. Its too unclear whether this is a public health emergency or not. It seems to be defined as one for some people and situations, but not for others.

Obviously the Government is relying on the public health exemption for otherwise illegal suspension of human rights. But the safety of the entire population isn't in imminent risk, at least not now, which is the criteria for it.

@lifeturnsonadime

if the majority of arrivals won't be infected then why restrict our movement at all.?

I just think it must either be a public health necessity or not. If it is a public health necessity then you would think they would be at least as concerned about arrivals as leavers? And they would be concerned about all leisure leavers without exemptions for second homes etc.

Otherwise is the real reason something else, e.g. getting us to spend in the UK for the holidays, or some punishment for the OAZ mess on the continent?

I agree with you. I don't think the current restrictions make a lot of sense from the public health perspective at all. Economic sense - maybe.

@lifeturnsonadime

if the majority of arrivals won't be infected then why restrict our movement at all.?

I just think it must either be a public health necessity or not. If it is a public health necessity then you would think they would be at least as concerned about arrivals as leavers? And they would be concerned about all leisure leavers without exemptions for second homes etc.

Otherwise is the real reason something else, e.g. getting us to spend in the UK for the holidays, or some punishment for the OAZ mess on the continent?

I think the issue is probably more that the people making the public health recommendations aren’t the people making the final decisions on what the law is going to be. And that the people making the law have only a slim grasp on public health issues.

So something can be a a public health necessity, whilst also having illogical gaps and exceptions based on the self interests of the people making the law.

Seriously though, if there are exceptions for dental treatment, maintenance on second home, etc then that's what all these selfish twats will claim to be doing.
Out of interest, why do you think dental treatment is an excuse? I need dental work done that was quoted to be around £7K here in the UK just before the lockdown (probably much more now - the situation had hardly improved during the last year). Some of it is cosmetic, but the majority is medical / orthodontic. Back home I can do it for just over £1K, with better qualified dentists and materials. Literally everyone I know who is not from the UK goes home (if it is reasonably close, of course) for dental treatment.

But interesting how the 'gaps' benefit a certain class of people more than others.

They will know this, of course.

The gaps aren't illogical they (the government) just hope we think so.

@TildaKauskumholm

Seriously though, if there are exceptions for dental treatment, maintenance on second home, etc then that's what all these selfish twats will claim to be doing. And so Covid just keeps on and on travelling around courtesy of these idiots.

People in this country can exploit loopholes and bend rules better than Uri Geller can a spoon.

if there are exceptions for dental treatment, maintenance on second home

They should request proof of these, otherwise it will get out of control

I think the issue is probably more that the people making the public health recommendations aren’t the people making the final decisions on what the law is going to be. And that the people making the law have only a slim grasp on public health issues.
Yes, this - and also public health experts are usually experts only in public health. Not in the economics, politics etc. So when the initial recommendations reach the expert committee approval stage, there are probably chunks taken out of them here and there. Mr X didn't like this or group Y objected to that... but, while the final product still looks and feels like a condom, who cares about those little holes, really.

People in this country can exploit loopholes and bend rules better than Uri Geller can a spoon.

Can you blame them when loopholes are created to be exploited and not to mention the Dominic Cummings effect.

@forinborin

Seriously though, if there are exceptions for dental treatment, maintenance on second home, etc then that's what all these selfish twats will claim to be doing. Out of interest, why do you think dental treatment is an excuse? I need dental work done that was quoted to be around £7K here in the UK just before the lockdown (probably much more now - the situation had hardly improved during the last year). Some of it is cosmetic, but the majority is medical / orthodontic. Back home I can do it for just over £1K, with better qualified dentists and materials. Literally everyone I know who is not from the UK goes home (if it is reasonably close, of course) for dental treatment.

And untreated teeth can have very serious health effects. Can't get even private appointments easily.

Yes, I meant illogical from a public health perspective rather than an acting in our own self interest perspective. This government are as transpatent as a pane of glass.

@tangerinelollipop

if there are exceptions for dental treatment, maintenance on second home

They should request proof of these, otherwise it will get out of control

Easy enough to get such proof.

You can also go to look for a second home to buy, or a third or what have you.

Home educators are talking about foreign education experiences because education is another exemption.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Yes, I meant illogical from a public health perspective rather than an acting in our own self interest perspective. This government are as transpatent as a pane of glass.

Plenty of people are still lapping up their drivel.

The thing is if you fill out a form and tick an exemption how likely is it that anyone is going to actually check? They didn't routinely check the Q10 arrivals last summer and I say that with knowledge.

@lifeturnsonadime

Home educators are talking about foreign education experiences because education is another exemption.

They have been hit particularly hard by restrictions as part of their education and socialisation is meeting with other home educated children.

Sounds great! Travel is excellent for children.

With vulnerable adults getting second doses and more and more adults being vaccinated, does it work or does it not? Surely if it works then there don't need to be all these restrictions.

@lifeturnsonadime

The thing is if you fill out a form and tick an exemption how likely is it that anyone is going to actually check? They didn't routinely check the Q10 arrivals last summer and I say that with knowledge.

We were never checked on. We complied with home quarantine, but weren't checked up on.

@lifeturnsonadime

The thing is if you fill out a form and tick an exemption how likely is it that anyone is going to actually check? They didn't routinely check the Q10 arrivals last summer and I say that with knowledge.

sorry should have said Q14!

Ana - vulnerable people in other European countries have not had their vaccines so shouldn’t be put at risk by U.K. visitors. My parents in Belgium have only just had one vaccination and many of their friends (over 70’s) are still waiting.

@Parker231

Ana - vulnerable people in other European countries have not had their vaccines so shouldn’t be put at risk by U.K. visitors. My parents in Belgium have only just had one vaccination and many of their friends (over 70’s) are still waiting.

But that is on Belgium to restrict arrivals not on us to restrict departures.