Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

[Dugee]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

Second home owners will not face a fine. No offence is committed. i would imagine this kind of conviction would be viewed in the same way as a traffic offence. If you are rich enough to poo poo it it might not bother you.

Those wishing to enter from abroad from countries that are not RED countries self isolate not in hotels. Frankly we have no idea what they are doing.

If you are determined to think that this is a fair and equitable way to avoid transmission from abroad of variants that is up to you. I don't share your views on it.

ana I am not sure it is easy, my friend who is British, but lives overseas was stopped at Gatwick and taken to an interview room to explain her journey. They were not happy with her explanation, at all, and didn't believe her. She nearly missed her flight by the time it was checked. She said they reminded her of the US border control. There was literally nobody at the airport, so it wasn't hard for them to check.

So, I am not sure it is going to be that easy, but you can give it a try and update us here on MN accordingly please :)

Those wishing to enter from abroad from countries that are not RED countries self isolate not in hotels. Frankly we have no idea what they are doing.
If their phone signal leaves the designated area (the address where they declared to be staying), the police comes within 10-15 minutes and asks to explain. Happened to a few acquaintances already.

@forinborin

Those wishing to enter from abroad from countries that are not RED countries self isolate not in hotels. Frankly we have no idea what they are doing. If their phone signal leaves the designated area (the address where they declared to be staying), the police comes within 10-15 minutes and asks to explain. Happened to a few acquaintances already.

well that's changed then. When I returned to the country after travelling in lawful circumstances no one contacted me, even when I had to leave the house for medical reasons (not covid related).

Also I know people who have returned in the last week due to having to return to avoid overstaying for Brexit and it is perfectly lawful for them to take public transport to return their covid tests.

How strange.

Look, I really have to go back to my home country for an emergency dental treatment where I have been suffering for months. The prices in this country are a joke and no way I can afford it. I'm currently managing it with antibiotics and will cost me thousands to sort out the whole thing in this country. The dental treatment in my home country will cost me a thousand and a 200 quid return ticket which is a bargain and I have my own house there so won't pay for accommodation. I'm in agony. I don't think I will last till July like this and might end up using pliers.

My mother on the other hand wants to see her dying mother which also comes with other issues which she needs to be there for funeral and inheritance. She hasn't seen her mother in nearly 2 years. Not everything is a holiday. You have to take tests, you have to quarantine when you get there. On the way back, you need a negative test to get through check in at the airport and pay extra 200 quid or so to do further tests and send it through by post when you quarantine in the UK. This process alone puts people off travelling. Some people genuinely go through this process because the outcome is worth it for whatever reason they are travelling for and holiday isn't worth it to go through this process.

@Itsalonghaul

ana I am not sure it is easy, my friend who is British, but lives overseas was stopped at Gatwick and taken to an interview room to explain her journey. They were not happy with her explanation, at all, and didn't believe her. She nearly missed her flight by the time it was checked. She said they reminded her of the US border control. There was literally nobody at the airport, so it wasn't hard for them to check.

So, I am not sure it is going to be that easy, but you can give it a try and update us here on MN accordingly please :)

I'm a dual national, Its, with two passports and a second home in the other country. I'm planning to repatriate to the other country, so I'll send you some photos from the beach.

I wish we could say we miss you ana

Also have some probate issues that need to be settled in person from one of my parents' estates there.

And have had rather enough of Covid misery merchants who simply want to punish everyone and make everyone as wretched as they are.

I prefer the hot beach. No masks, either.

@Itsalonghaul

I wish we could say we miss you ana

This is my bothered face .

But alas, I've got a house here, too.

I was just thinking this.

Who the fuck are all these people who are happy to do nothing and go nowhere? Cos Covid

Tell me about it! They're 10 a penny. This has proven their time to shine. The heroes of spiteful misery, snitching and pettiness. What a time to be alive!

@maturecheddar

Look, I really have to go back to my home country for an emergency dental treatment where I have been suffering for months. The prices in this country are a joke and no way I can afford it. I'm currently managing it with antibiotics and will cost me thousands to sort out the whole thing in this country. The dental treatment in my home country will cost me a thousand and a 200 quid return ticket which is a bargain and I have my own house there so won't pay for accommodation. I'm in agony. I don't think I will last till July like this and might end up using pliers.

My mother on the other hand wants to see her dying mother which also comes with other issues which she needs to be there for funeral and inheritance. She hasn't seen her mother in nearly 2 years. Not everything is a holiday. You have to take tests, you have to quarantine when you get there. On the way back, you need a negative test to get through check in at the airport and pay extra 200 quid or so to do further tests and send it through by post when you quarantine in the UK. This process alone puts people off travelling. Some people genuinely go through this process because the outcome is worth it for whatever reason they are travelling for and holiday isn't worth it to go through this process.

You both have legitimate reasons to leave. So use them. Don't let a load of spiteful, miserable randoms online stop you or make you feel bad about them. Make sure you post updates about it all, too, give 'em the warm fuzzies and bring out the best in their sad attempts to be passive aggressive.

I doubt that baby DD will ever be going abroad

You can't be serious, surely?

Also I know people who have returned in the last week due to having to return to avoid overstaying for Brexit and it is perfectly lawful for them to take public transport to return their covid tests.
Yes, this is exactly how people I wrote about got visited (not using public transport in this case, simply walking down the street to a priority postbox - but it was registered that they have moved somewhere).

@forinborin

Also I know people who have returned in the last week due to having to return to avoid overstaying for Brexit and it is perfectly lawful for them to take public transport to return their covid tests. Yes, this is exactly how people I wrote about got visited (not using public transport in this case, simply walking down the street to a priority postbox - but it was registered that they have moved somewhere).

And that's a good thing?

We are banned from leaving the country because covid but returners can move around on return because they need to return their covid tests?

If this is about stopping the spread of new variants it's pretty half arsed.

We are banned from leaving the country because covid but returners can move around on return because they need to return their covid tests?
Do you suggest that no one is allowed to cross the UK border at all, until there's not a single covid case in the whole world? Or what is the alternative?

Who the fuck are all these people who are happy to do nothing and go nowhere?

I'm not HAPPY to go nowhere. But I'd rather go nowhere than to the ITU!

I have relatives and friends whom I haven't seen for months, and it is just dragging on, and I find it very upsetting. And I worry a lot about the effects on the economy, which sooner or later will affect us all. But that doesn't mean that everyone who follows precautions about Covid is either a miserable killjoy or one of the 'sheeple' who are just following the government blindly.

Some of us are just terrified of invalidism and death. In my case, to a large extent because I experienced long-term invalidism in my youth and am terrified of going back to that time. I'm less frightened since having my first jab, but I don't take precautions because I'm scared of the government (I'm not - I lived through the years of the Thatcher government which was MUCH more scary and authoritarian); I take precautions because I'm scared of disease.

@tangerinelollipop

I doubt that baby DD will ever be going abroad

You can't be serious, surely?

We are locked up without evidence for an illness which o as a fat 51 year old have a 0.0027 chance of catching snd dying 🤷🏻‍♀️

@forinborin

We are banned from leaving the country because covid but returners can move around on return because they need to return their covid tests? Do you suggest that no one is allowed to cross the UK border at all, until there's not a single covid case in the whole world? Or what is the alternative?

That's exactly what some of these people want, forin, as you can easily see. Never mind those who are bringing all those vital goods into the country and performing vital work.

We’ve been told it’s to flatten the curve, save the NHS, until Christmas, until vaccination, until Easter, until June, until 2022... it’s not insane to think we are trapped forever

We now have a highly effective vaccination. Our vulnerable are vaccinated. Other countries are opening up: we are locking down harder. It makes no sense

@forinborin

We are banned from leaving the country because covid but returners can move around on return because they need to return their covid tests? Do you suggest that no one is allowed to cross the UK border at all, until there's not a single covid case in the whole world? Or what is the alternative?

I suggest that if we are restricted as leaving as tourists, those who are exempt for second home reasons or who can afford the fine and go anyway be made to bear the cost of a mandatory hotel quarantine. That would end the two tier tourism that the current system will enable.

At the very least returners or those otherwise entering the UK for leisure reasons could have tests collected from their homes (or given locations) at their cost to avoid the need for people to move around during the first 10 days in the UK.

Ana you are misinterpreting me.

I don't want any of this.

I am just saying fining leavers but allowing people to return or enter is inequitable.

@WouldBeGood

We now have a highly effective vaccination. Our vulnerable are vaccinated. Other countries are opening up: we are locking down harder. It makes no sense

Shhh. The lockdown luvvies don't want to hear this.

I’ve got a friend who’s planning to go to her second home (in continental Europe) at the weekend. For a holiday. Interested to see how that plays out...

At the very least returners or those otherwise entering the UK for leisure reasons could have tests collected from their homes (or given locations) at their cost to avoid the need for people to move around during the first 10 days in the UK.
Yes, this is sensible (it is actually how it works in many countries, a courier collects your test from your address). Not sure how much it would reduce the risk though - the absolute majority of arrivals won't be infected, and those who are infected and turn symptomatic, probably would have enough common sense not to go on the public transport. It is the same process as for people already in the UK, you are supposed to get to a priority mailbox somehow to post your test even if you are clearly in an acute phase of covid.