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Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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Dugee · 22/03/2021 22:10

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

OP posts:
WouldBeGood · 23/03/2021 16:19

I really don’t want to see family, but I do want to get travelling before I’m too old and done. DP has a degenerative neurological condition and we don’t know how long we have left with him fit.

BlueGoblin · 23/03/2021 16:26

Second, if you have family abroad - it would be nice but it's not a right to see them or for them to visit you. You made the decision to move to another country so if rules change for whatever reason you have to abide by them.

I made the decision to move to the U.K. as I could easily go back to my home country (I could fly, drive, take a ferry or a train!) and when the U.K. was still part of the EU. Never in a million years could I guess it would be illegal to cross the Channel to see my family.

AnaofBroceliande · 23/03/2021 16:29

@MaxNormal

I just don't understand how incredibly mean some people on here are being about others wanting to visit family abroad

Doesn't affect them so they don't give a shit. Yet call everyone else selfish.

Spot on.

Ditto the 'no one needs to go a pub/restaurant/theatre' crowd. Don't give a fuck how many people lose their jobs, homes, ability to contribute to their pensions, pay into the economy, keep the sacred cow NHS going.

Itsasin1981 · 23/03/2021 16:31

Agreed, lot of mean, nasty attitudes on here. Can guarantee this won't affect a lot of them so they don't care. Total lack of empathy, brainwashed by Covid, nothing else matters in life anymore.

Itsasin1981 · 23/03/2021 16:32

Not everybody can live 10 minutes down the road from their family, surely you can get this into your thick skulls.
Saying that people "lose their rights" when they move far away from family is such a ridiculous and ignorant thing to say.

AnaofBroceliande · 23/03/2021 16:32

@Itsasin1981

Agreed, lot of mean, nasty attitudes on here. Can guarantee this won't affect a lot of them so they don't care. Total lack of empathy, brainwashed by Covid, nothing else matters in life anymore.
Absolutely. And it will effect all of us when those industries are gone and all the jobs that go with them.

Don't give a fuck about people in the 60s or WW2, we don't live in that world anymore.

littleloopylou · 23/03/2021 16:32

I'm an immigrant. I have always been fully aware that we have been living an amazing lifestyle of affluence and peace for the past 70 years. When I chose to move here, it was with the understanding that circumstances can always change.

Just because we have enjoyed unprecedented privilege and comfortable lifestyles in the past doesn't mean we can count on it forever into the future. Times change.

I'd love to see my family but I'm fully on board with acting in the greater good, and I'm certainly not whining about staying in the UK for the time being while the vaccination program is getting fully bedded and dangerous variants continue to circulate outside the borders of this little island.

MaxNormal · 23/03/2021 16:39

I just don't understand how incredibly mean some people on here are being about others wanting to visit family abroad

But yet quite happy for the deliveries to keep arriving at their front doors and the power to stay on. Anyone going out to work for a purpose that suits them is welcome to get out there and get infected.
Anyone out for a reason that is not to their direct benefit is a selfish spreader.

Lentillover1900 · 23/03/2021 16:42

* but I'm fully on board with acting in the greater good,*

The greater good being what?
Presumably not the economy
Family run businesses
Mental health

littleloopylou · 23/03/2021 16:48

@Lentillover1900 we are in a position where vaccination programs are in place and the population will be almost completely vaccinated by the year's end. People moving around is how diseases spread. I can wait until large scale immunity is achieved through vaccination before I need to bring all sorts of dangerous variants back here, which will expose more people to potentially dying and/or put increased pressure on a medical service that has already struggled to meet demand.

littleloopylou · 23/03/2021 16:50

PS I don't see how my travelling to the US is going to aid the economy, family businesses, or anyone's mental health but my own.

AnaofBroceliande · 23/03/2021 16:53

@MaxNormal

I just don't understand how incredibly mean some people on here are being about others wanting to visit family abroad

But yet quite happy for the deliveries to keep arriving at their front doors and the power to stay on. Anyone going out to work for a purpose that suits them is welcome to get out there and get infected.
Anyone out for a reason that is not to their direct benefit is a selfish spreader.

Oh, yes, stuff shipped from all over the place and 'fingered' as one poster put it on another thread by pickers and packers.
forinborin · 23/03/2021 16:57

@littleloopylou

PS I don't see how my travelling to the US is going to aid the economy, family businesses, or anyone's mental health but my own.
If it helps even just your own mental health (presumably those who you are visiting too?), that is a contribution towards the population-level mental health already. You might not feel it is necessary for you, but it is for many of us.
Loopyloututu2 · 23/03/2021 16:57

Centreparcs will be rubbing their hands in glee

Even a ban on foreign travel won’t make me holiday at centreparcs!

Agree with those that are worried about this insidious erosion of our freedoms. If we knew for sure it was for a year or two ok. But once it’s gone - who knows how long until we get it back? It’s scary stuff. It’s absolutely right that people should question this and not blindly accept everything the government throws at us.
I understand their reasons but it’s hard not to think there are other factors at play. It’s just one thing after another now, I can’t even get worked up anymore - I feel total apathy to everything.
Feel so sorry for those with loved ones abroad.

We’re holidaying in this country in summer and I’m happy with that but it doesn’t mean I want my freedom to travel abroad, should I want to, taken away. I can see the bigger picture - why can’t some others on here?

I sincerely hope we don’t regret being such doormats about all this.

CleverCatty · 23/03/2021 16:58

@Flinstones

I just don't understand how incredibly mean some people on here are being about others wanting to visit family abroad!! When people made the decision to live in another country to there family it was done in a time where you could hop on a plane & go where you liked when you liked. Most people have not seen them for a year now & it is understandable that they want to. I just think there is a group on here that just want to remain in this none life for ever, probably the same ones that never wanted the children to go back to school.
I am not incredibly mean.

If it was me who had family abroad and I could not visit them, due to rules, of course I would be upset, but I'd take that on board and make plans for the future.

I do not also want to remain in this non life forever and am happy for children to go back to school as long as it's safe to do so.

CleverCatty · 23/03/2021 16:59

@MaxNormal

I just don't understand how incredibly mean some people on here are being about others wanting to visit family abroad

Doesn't affect them so they don't give a shit. Yet call everyone else selfish.

Also, I haven't made the rules up.
CleverCatty · 23/03/2021 17:03

@forinborin

But basically nowadays it seems as if you just complain a bit, because you're not allowed to see anyone etc for 1-2 years etc and then it's justified.

WW2 was almost a century ago, in the times when international travel was privilege of a very few. Everyone who made a decision to move abroad during the last couple of years, made that decision under a completely different frame of reference - it was easier (as in, cheaper and faster) for me to go and see my family abroad compared to if they lived, say, somewhere in Midlands away from big airports.

I can relate to the immigration stories from the old days- many of family branches on my own family tree relocated to the States / Canada in the early 20th century. Their goodbyes were last goodbyes, and their farewell parties were indeed a bit like funerals - it was accepted by both sides that any future contact will be through infrequent letters only, no one will see grandchildren born, no one will come and bury grandparents.

In the modern world though, I don't think that not being allowed to see anyone for 1-2 years is nothing worth mentioning. But I guess we are different here.

International travel was the privilege of a very few but it didn't stop my GF from travelling within Europe and then to UK for a better life.

Of course I think it is wrong that not being allowed to see anyone for 1-2 years is worth mentioning but I'm saying that if we hold on and wait until it is safe then it will be great.

I'm guessing that it's safer for people to go to holiday homes (not saying this is right at all) because they can self isolate etc there.

PersimmonTree · 23/03/2021 17:14

Sorry, that was so late-2019 of me. Back when seeing friends was a thing...

Never mind, the collective non-nuanced spleen will just have to be vented until the EU gets its vaccine machine into gear 😴😴😴😴😴😴

Flinstones · 23/03/2021 17:54

CLEVERCATTY you sound very mean. Obviously your not in this position but it's funny that if you were you'd be totally understanding & made plans accordingly! I somehow think not!

User133847 · 23/03/2021 17:59

@littleloopylou

Oh no, our freedom to spread disease so that we can have a jolly abroad is being curtailed!
It's ridiculous. I can understand people who need to see relatives but holidays can wait.

I'll just be glad to sit in a pub or go to the cinema in the summer and winter. Allow mass travel again and we'll be fucked again come winter.

People go on about freedom, how much freedom did we have in the 1940's? Even post-war with ration books. There was no fortnight in Spain then either for the masses.

People need to get a grip. We couldn't even go one summer without foreign holidays though, let alone two.

Itsasin1981 · 23/03/2021 18:00

We aren't in the wartime anymore, things have changed a lot since. Nobody is selfish for wanting a holiday.

Itsasin1981 · 23/03/2021 18:01

I'm very sure they will be allowed anyway this year, I'll be booking asap.

User133847 · 23/03/2021 18:04

I'm very sure they will be allowed anyway this year

If mass travel was allowed even last summer then it'll be allowed this summer and the same mistakes will repeated.

People simply won't sacrifice a foreign holiday for one year.

lifeturnsonadime · 23/03/2021 18:04

We are not in a war.

We are allowing people into this country without fines.

The rule is not fairly applied. The rich and those who own second homes can still travel.

If the government would demonstrate this is actually the only response to protect the long term public health and to avoid further UK restrictions AND demonstrated that the same rules apply to all citizen's regardless of their personal wealth (£5K fine means nothing to the rich) and second home owners then I'd be the first to support the measure.

I will obviously abide by the rules but cannot be in favour of it until the loopholes that support the rich and the fact that people are allowed in without hotel quarantine are addressed.

Lentillover1900 · 23/03/2021 18:06

[quote littleloopylou]@Lentillover1900 we are in a position where vaccination programs are in place and the population will be almost completely vaccinated by the year's end. People moving around is how diseases spread. I can wait until large scale immunity is achieved through vaccination before I need to bring all sorts of dangerous variants back here, which will expose more people to potentially dying and/or put increased pressure on a medical service that has already struggled to meet demand.[/quote]
The immunity you speak of
Presumably if you’re bringing new “dangerous variants” back, you can’t be sure you won’t bring one back that doesn’t respond to that immunity!

It’s endless according to your logic!

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