Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

Flintstones I completely agree.

Also do Wales, Cornwall or Scotland actually want us visiting this year or do they want us to keep away again? Cornwall doesn’t seem to want our money nor does Wales. Where will everyone go? There was a furore over people visiting beaches last year will it be the same this year?

I think we should just call this out for what it is.

Some people no longer give a flying f* about the pandemic, the dying, the suffering. None of it. They are done. Unless it directly affects them (or their family) they will continue to press for holidays and all the rest to serve their own needs. We do definitely have a new division in this country, and it is the selfish me me me on one side, and those with compassion on the other.

I see the division in my own family, among my friends and in my work place. Those that have had a vaccine and no longer care if they are spreading covid to those less fortunate, as long as they can have their drinks party. I see it everywhere, and it is sickening.

The holiday angst is just another way to illuminate those that care and those that do not.

Thankfully the government are now unafraid to ensure that these people do not get the chance to wreck our recovery.

@Sugarandteaandmum

Why would anyone book a foreign holiday? My family are mostly abroad too including my dad. But he just has to stay put, as do we.

We need to vaccinate the world. The WORLD. and we don't need foreign holidays til it's done.

There are plenty of people who had booked holidays for last year back in 2019/18 who have pushed their holidays back to this year in hopes we might have returned to normality by now. No one could predict we’d be in this position a year later, after all Boris initially said the first lockdown would only last 3 weeks

@Itsalonghaul

I think we should just call this out for what it is.

Some people no longer give a flying f* about the pandemic, the dying, the suffering. None of it. They are done. Unless it directly affects them (or their family) they will continue to press for holidays and all the rest to serve their own needs. We do definitely have a new division in this country, and it is the selfish me me me on one side, and those with compassion on the other.

I see the division in my own family, among my friends and in my work place. Those that have had a vaccine and no longer care if they are spreading covid to those less fortunate, as long as they can have their drinks party. I see it everywhere, and it is sickening.

The holiday angst is just another way to illuminate those that care and those that do not.

Thankfully the government are now unafraid to ensure that these people do not get the chance to wreck our recovery.

You are a are drama queen. I have not had the vaccine & have stuck to the rules throughout, I was made redundant last year BUT enough is enough we need to get on with our lives, this level of restrictions is unacceptable now.

@Itsalonghaul yeah it's pure selfishness, I mean no-one has lost their jobs or businesses or mental health or been separated from their loved ones for a year.
They're just selfish cunts who want a pint in Magaluf.

it will be interesting to see how uk based holidays will pan out.
litter, overcrowding, sitting in your car for 6 hours trying to find a parking space in the Lakes.

the overseas travel contingent all packing onto same beaches all at the same time.

think I'm staying home this July

@Donotfeedthebears

There won’t be any airlines left. But the elite will still have private jets.

And the sheeple will cheer about that. Proles don't need holidays! 'If I have to suffer, so do you!' mentality is strong in these ones, Master Yoda.

@Itsalonghaul

It doesn’t kill all the elderly, vulnerable etc.

Well thats okay then, perhaps I was just imagining the overflowing hospitals in January, that were not full of the dead but those trying to survive and needed lots and lots of medical intervention to continue to breathe.

Yeah, take one sentence out of a post without any context.

@MaxNormal got it in one.

@pinkearedcow Apologies for taking so long to address your point. I don’t think any reasoning makes sense, beyond government incompetence and cowardice in the face of public panic. The priority of any government is to stay in power, not necessarily to govern a successful and prosperous country.

UK holidays can be incredibly expensive too, the same cost as a week abroad.

just seen a note from Australia where they have pretty much normal life apart from not being able to leave the country. Hoping that is what we will have.

yes, the UK is going to feel pretty crowded this summer. Newsflash - it IS pretty crowded even in normal times. That does not mean that tarmacing/building over more of it will help.

choice between levels of shit. I'll take a bit less shit if you don't mind.

We do definitely have a new division in this country, and it is the selfish me me me on one side, and those with compassion on the other.
It is very naive to think that the majority of people should constantly put everyone else's interests above their own. Above own livelihoods, jobs, mental and physical health, above wellbeing of their children, put a generic elderly potential covid victim higher in their priorities than their own elderly parents.
While a degree of low-level altruism is necessary for a society to function efficiently, societies made exclusively of altruistic individuals fare much worse overall both in crisis times and in a business-as-usual mode. It is only a mathematical result, of course, but an interesting one. Selfish is good, from the evolutionary perspective.

@Itsalonghaul

A lot of US states didn't lock down very strongly, no major disasters really compared to the stricter ones

543k people have died in the US!!

What is your idea of major disaster if it is not over half a million people dying from one single virus ??

And how many more millions would be dead now had they just continued without restrictions. It actually doesn't bear thinking about. Most states introduced lockdowns, most states had lots of restrictions.

Some people have seriously lost their capacity to think clearly.

The point was there isn’t much difference between states with a strict lockdown and those without, which suggests that there’s not much that can be done once the virus takes hold in a population.

California vs Florida comparisons look very, very bad for Cali.

If I was a betting woman, I’d say DeSantis will be president someday based upon his handling of this situation.

Too right, Max.

UsedUpUsername yes this has been largely my observation and I agree with you.
Newsom, for instance, I would not back as future POTUS.

Selfish is good, from the evolutionary perspective

Great, so we can look forward to the next wave, and another hard lockdown before the summer has even started as suddenly being selfish is good for us

@Itsalonghaul

Selfish is good, from the evolutionary perspective

Great, so we can look forward to the next wave, and another hard lockdown before the summer has even started as suddenly being selfish is good for us

The longer you keep complying with these draconian restrictions, the longer you can expect them to carry on.

@Itsalonghaul So you don’t think vaccinations or millions of people being immune after recovery will make any difference?

used That simply isn't true. You only have to look at our horrific numbers in January versus now to see that restrictions make the world of difference. You are saying they don't do anything once the virus is spreading, but a lockdown does work. We have seen this three times now!

There are some mad hatters in here aren't there?

' Our freedoms' and ' Our rights' - you are making rubbish up because you want to go to Mallorca.

Go on then, you go on your precious holiday abroad, spread covid around, see the hospitals bulge and clap on your doorstep whilst changing your facebook photo to an ' I love the NHS' one.

Then complain about the pubs being shut still - whilst moaning you can't abroad again .

North Korea? don't be so willfully ignorant.

@Itsalonghaul

Selfish is good, from the evolutionary perspective

Great, so we can look forward to the next wave, and another hard lockdown before the summer has even started as suddenly being selfish is good for us

And what exactly makes you think that would happen?

@Itsalonghaul

I think we should just call this out for what it is.

Some people no longer give a flying f* about the pandemic, the dying, the suffering. None of it. They are done. Unless it directly affects them (or their family) they will continue to press for holidays and all the rest to serve their own needs. We do definitely have a new division in this country, and it is the selfish me me me on one side, and those with compassion on the other.

I see the division in my own family, among my friends and in my work place. Those that have had a vaccine and no longer care if they are spreading covid to those less fortunate, as long as they can have their drinks party. I see it everywhere, and it is sickening.

The holiday angst is just another way to illuminate those that care and those that do not.

Thankfully the government are now unafraid to ensure that these people do not get the chance to wreck our recovery.

This again 🙄

Yes, because anyone who questions any of the restrictions put in place is only peeved off cause they’re selfish arseholes who don’t give a shit about the dying and the sick as long as they can go out to the pub on the weekend or swan off on foreign holidays.

My sister called me in tears this morning, she’s just been told she’s being laid off, her husband lost his job in September, they have 3 young kids and they are now facing losing their house. I know she’s one of many in a similar position.

Of course I have the utmost compassion and sympathy for people who are sick or have lost loved ones to covid and I understand why these measures need to be in place, but at the same time you can’t ignore the fact that people’s lives are being destroyed by the restrictions that have been in place this last year, it really winds me up when people try to downplay it as ‘oh anyone who disagrees and isn’t following the rules to the letter is just a selfish granny killer who gives zero fucks’

It really is not that black and white! Can you not see why some people are ‘done’ as you put it?

Personally, I can see both sides of the coin, and I really do feel for people who have had their lives destroyed or taken by covid or by the restrictions put in place due to covid.

numble Yes I do think the vaccinations will work, but given we are only just getting the second doses into the vulnerable and elderly, we are a long way off. A very long way off. They won't be fully protected for at least another three weeks, and we still have half the population to get through.

I do think vaccines will help, but it will take time, and the summer time frame is looking distinctly tricky for travelling. Had Europe been able to vaccinate at the same pace, maybe we could have some arrangements in place, but as it stands now I think it is unlikely.

surely this travel ban is in the wrong direction to prevent new variants getting in

Other countries understand outbound and inbound correctly. They have mandatory quarantine for all inbound travellers. This may require reducing the number of open airports and the numbers of non-essential travellers coming into the country (by means of cost, the deterrent of the quarantine itself).

Only restricting inbound travellers will help the UK avoid new variants.