Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

People have had time to assess what’s really important for them in the last year. Whether it is to leave cities and relocate to the countryside or to return to their home countries and we’re not just talking about rich celebrities like the Minogues. I have american friends who have lived /worked here for 10+ yrs who had decided to resign from their UK jobs and return to the States last summer. They wouldn’t have done but for COVID 19 changing their priorities in life. And there are many who have been living/working in Asia/ME long term returning to the UK. Most of those resigned without a job to go to as opposed to be being made redundant which is a huge decision because most of these places won’t let non citizens return. People of all nationalities all over the world are making relocation decisions to be with their families. Not saying it’s easy to uproot lives but the past year has certainly focused people’s minds about what they really want.

Anyone can leave but restrictions are there to deter international travel for all but essential reasons temporarily. Cases/deaths in the UK/EU have to be absolutely disastrous for there not to be reopening of travel by July/Aug. No country wants to deliberately tank their own economy to the extent that we don’t have the tax revenue to pay for essential services.

@Cherryvalentine

If they said masks were compulsory in your own home there would be posters on here cheering it on, labelling anybody who didn't do it as 'selfish'. At what point will it stop?!

I really wouldn't. But isolating NZ and Australia have worked. Yes we still have freight but when the French closed the borders at Christmas there were something like 24 positive cases in 10,000 lorry drivers.

If people will stay in the UK (or Ireland) this year we reduce our chances of bringing in new variants of the virus by about 90%. I think it is worth it, as long as there is an exemption for those needing to see family overseas. You'd have to make it a finite number of days to stop them eg visiting their granny in Munich and the waltzing off to the Alps to ski (if it's later in the year).

And as I said on another thread, unless you live in Leicester, there have been opportunities in the last year to see UK-based family. I've seen my mum 4 times and once immediately before the March lockdown, ok I've bent the rules a bit but if you were that worried about your mental health you'd bend the rules too, and/or wear warm clothes outside.

@ThroughThickAndThin01

I don’t get the theory behind all these conspiracy theorists. Why would a conservative government, a capitalist government by definition, want to restrain the occupants of their country unless it was to try and stop adverse effects from a pandemic going on and on. They want people out there to spend spend spend.

I don’t understand why posters Max perhaps you can explain their POV?, what’s the dark theory behind why the government is doing this because I just don’t understand why people think there is one.

Two words: emerging technocracy. The pandemic is suspiciously coincidental with a key stage in the development of this technocracy - the one where it is necessary to divest ordinary people of their power.

I am wondering how that went away in about 18 months with no vaccinations and far inferior healthcare and yet this virus just won't bugger off

People died.

It basically took 18m to kill off everyone who was going to have severe effects.

We could have got rid of it in 18m by building huge palliative care wards and not actively treating anybody infected.

By now all your elderly, vulnerable, plus a few healthy susceptible people would be dead, leaving the rest of us who are lucky enough to only get moderate symptoms to carry on as normal.

Maybe Boris should have tried that?

These sort of restrictions would be expected for a virus that killed, say 10%......

It doesn't

The IFR is around 0.3-0.5% - that is 3 or 5 in every 1000
The vast majority are over 70 and even the normal majority are over 80

The only problem I can see is that everyone getting ill at the same time swamps services but the actual mortality is reasonable and does not warrant these restrictions,

I suggest you take a trip to Brazil. They have no restrictions there so you can live your life rule free. They also have a President who thinks just like you that it’s nothing. See how you get on with a crippled health system.

I’m sure You’ll be just fine- take some Lemsip and a hand gel.

A stupid suggestion considering she can't go to Brazil just now .

@notalwaysalondoner

I feel very mixed about this - overall I resent the restrictions on freedom, and a year ago would have said New Zealand was going way too far, wouldn’t be able to get their borders back open. But now I think life in New Zealand looks pretty good and I’d be willing to not leave the country for 1-3 years if it meant we could have zero restrictions here. And I’m someone who used to travel at least once or twice a month for work or personal travel.

I’m more concerned about the protesting bill they’re trying to bring in - that’s a long term and indefinite erosion of liberties.

There is no comparison between UK & New Zealand or Australia for that matter, there countries are beautiful, hot & spread out! The thought of being trapped here is very depressing! Even in America they can fly from state to state, none of the countries I've mentioned are trapped in a ridiculous situation like us with redundancy, businesses crippled & now even the good news about the vaccine not even making a difference now!

I don’t think the former should take priority. Fact that my children don’t have a granny in this country or abroad, and I don’t have a brother in Spain - shouldn’t mean those with family abroad get priority over those who went a holiday !

I don't agree with the ban full stop anyway, so I agree, no priority. It's just very tiring when people are going on as if the only restrictions is two weeks in Turkey, if you have family in Turkey that's a huge restriction on your freedom, that means some family die and you can't be there, you can't introduce your children to them, it's not a trivial issue to do with 'fun' times.

I'd have preferred a shorter sharper shock than dragging it out and flattening the curve

The short disruption would be horrific but acceptable and we'd come out the other side a lot more quickly

covetthee I really feel for people in the travel industry. I am sorry you have lost your job, this virus has ruined so many lives.

The government are having to choose between international travel (and the risk of new variants) and the whole of the economy (if we import one that is vaccine resistant we will be back in lockdown)

At some point soon, we won't be able to afford the furlough, and the support packages. We can't keep infinitely paying out billions, we are already in so much debt from the first two lockdowns.
My guess is that the gov may try and support the travel industry whilst making the very hard decision to stop travel for now, and whilst it makes sense to prop up one small sector whilst keeping the rest of the economy open and functioning, it does mean people can't travel, and it is disappointing, but unsurprising.

I am worried by so many new CT on here. This time last year people had a much bigger handle on the reasons and sacrifices being made. Perhaps when the lockdown ends it will help?!

A lot of US states didn't lock down very strongly, no major disasters really compared to the stricter ones.
I've often thought the virus is going to follow whatever pattern it's going to follow for a particular population group. South Africa had a sharp peak and sharp decline and there's no way their "lockdown" had anything to do with it.

@TransplantedScouser

I'd have preferred a shorter sharper shock than dragging it out and flattening the curve

The short disruption would be horrific but acceptable and we'd come out the other side a lot more quickly

But we’d be in the same situation as New Zealand, covid free but no international travel permitted, how long can they keep their borders shut before it becomes an issue? We all know as soon as they open up they will be in the same situation as us, perhaps worse with no previous immunity in the larger population.

Many here are desperate for a beach and sangria even though a lot went away last year anyway, they can’t stand the thought of not being able to get some sun on their terms, they don’t mind risking the variants.

Pesky BoJo&Co robbing them of their liberties! 😏

flinstones I am wondering why on earth you are still living here if you hate it so much, and you can not see any of the beauty or cultural heritage we have here.

Just relocate to somewhere you prefer, and then if we are unable to travel for a few years you won't spend your whole life moaning and whinging. Unless you are the type to say Oz is too hot, America is too unhealthy and so on. You are really negative so maybe you need help, you are coming across as very spoilt and entitled.

Flinstones

"Even in America they can fly from state to state"

And in America, they are getting between 50K and 90K cases per DAY and around 1500 deaths per DAY from Covid-19.
Easing restrictions, people demonstrating, has resulted in a huge increase in cases in France - 40K per day, 400 plus deaths.

There won’t be any airlines left. But the elite will still have private jets.

And in America, they are getting between 50K and 90K cases per DAY and around 1500 deaths per DAY from Covid-19

We had that across a much smaller population.

@bluebluezoo

I am wondering how that went away in about 18 months with no vaccinations and far inferior healthcare and yet this virus just won't bugger off

People died.

It basically took 18m to kill off everyone who was going to have severe effects.

We could have got rid of it in 18m by building huge palliative care wards and not actively treating anybody infected.

By now all your elderly, vulnerable, plus a few healthy susceptible people would be dead, leaving the rest of us who are lucky enough to only get moderate symptoms to carry on as normal.

Maybe Boris should have tried that?

It doesn’t kill all the elderly, vulnerable etc. I think the CFR for over 80s is around 15% so 85% of over 80s survive.

I’m not saying that we should just let it rip through the population by the way but if we had, your description is not accurate. The virus is mild/asymptomatic in 80% of people. It’s not just a ‘lucky few’ who would survive.

A lot of US states didn't lock down very strongly, no major disasters really compared to the stricter ones

543k people have died in the US!!

What is your idea of major disaster if it is not over half a million people dying from one single virus ??

And how many more millions would be dead now had they just continued without restrictions. It actually doesn't bear thinking about. Most states introduced lockdowns, most states had lots of restrictions.

Some people have seriously lost their capacity to think clearly.

It doesn’t kill all the elderly, vulnerable etc.

Well thats okay then, perhaps I was just imagining the overflowing hospitals in January, that were not full of the dead but those trying to survive and needed lots and lots of medical intervention to continue to breathe.

@Itsalonghaul

A lot of US states didn't lock down very strongly, no major disasters really compared to the stricter ones

543k people have died in the US!!

What is your idea of major disaster if it is not over half a million people dying from one single virus ??

And how many more millions would be dead now had they just continued without restrictions. It actually doesn't bear thinking about. Most states introduced lockdowns, most states had lots of restrictions.

Some people have seriously lost their capacity to think clearly.

Honestly don’t waste your time, they only see what they want to see. The capacity for critical thought is minute for a few of the users here.

@Itsalonghaul

flinstones I am wondering why on earth you are still living here if you hate it so much, and you can not see any of the beauty or cultural heritage we have here.

Just relocate to somewhere you prefer, and then if we are unable to travel for a few years you won't spend your whole life moaning and whinging. Unless you are the type to say Oz is too hot, America is too unhealthy and so on. You are really negative so maybe you need help, you are coming across as very spoilt and entitled.

I think you are very opinionated & angry. I am usually very happy to live here but definitely not holiday here, too many people everywhere you go, extortionate prices for the quality you get. My point is really all the restrictions on us have gone on far too long, not being able to holiday is only 1 of them, we just need to get on with everything & those that are scared stay home. There will be loads of people according to Mumsnet that love holidaying here so the economy should be ok. Then there's loads of us that love going abroad so could help the poor travel industry out as like other posters have said tons of people have lost there jobs in this industry. I think it's very childish to say well go & live somewhere else! It would be very boring if we all thought the same.

@Itsalonghaul still less per capita deaths than the UK.

Covid isn't the only cause of death or ony sad thing in the world. Lets see if you can tell me how many under fives die needlessly every year, globally, through poverty and preventable disease. In case you're wondering, five million.

But as that's not constantly being shoved in our faces I guess we don't need to give a shit.

@MaxNormal

A lot of US states didn't lock down very strongly, no major disasters really compared to the stricter ones. I've often thought the virus is going to follow whatever pattern it's going to follow for a particular population group. South Africa had a sharp peak and sharp decline and there's no way their "lockdown" had anything to do with it.

I totally agree with you

Honestly don’t waste your time, they only see what they want to see. The capacity for critical thought is minute for a few of the users here

I do tend to agree with you there. Alongside the ability to understand numbers and analyse risk.

@MaxNormal

And in America, they are getting between 50K and 90K cases per DAY and around 1500 deaths per DAY from Covid-19

We had that across a much smaller population.

Was just going to say that!