Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

[Dugee]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

If you frame it as a loss of rights that will be gone forever, of course that is going to feel alarming but if you consider that this is a short term decision based on protecting the country, then you come to a different view

Well, this is coming from the ‘just two weeks!’ crowd, so yeah, it’s pretty alarming.

Is this restriction only until the end of June (at the moment)?

@nith I think not being able to see family is just as awful for everyone whether they are in the Uk or abroad. The difference is, if you are wanting to see family abroad you are often ridiculed for wanting to go on “just a holiday” and seen as selfish, whereas wanting to see family in uk is seen as reasonable. And many people saw their families in the UK over summer, whereas people with families in some countries weren’t t even able to see them then. People with family in the uk who didn’t see them when covid rates were low over summer made this choice themselves. Also, there is an end date/hope for seeing uk family this summer which is keeping people going. Those with family abroad have no idea how many years it will be before they are allowed to see family again which is understandably upsetting. Especially when there are ways they could travel and see them and it not be more risky than seeing uk family

They said in March 2020 it was for 3 weeks and some of us did not believe them then and did not think the loss of rights was worth the price even for 3 weeks in March. In March 2021 it is even less worth the price paid. The legislation is causing all the problems, the bankruptcies, the families not seeing each other. Not the virus. We could internationally have handled this differently.

I want a holiday. Really could cry over it. That may make me sound pathetic.

However, looking at the news of what is going on globally, it does make sense that it isn't safe to travel abroad at the moment. I can accept that my, admittedly tiny sacrifices are for the greater good.

I think there would be more public buy in if they didn't have so many pathetic excuses exemptions which as PP have suggested, will allow the privileged 1% to travel as they wish

So much for Saga cruises and mandatory vaccination, my shares have plummeted!

@GreenlandTheMovie. Like the govt, MN doesn't really do nuanced, I don't think. Little point in talking complete sense on here.

@pinkearedcow

Is this restriction only until the end of June (at the moment)?

No reviewed on 12th April

Fingers crossed!!!

marsha It seems that SAGE will not be drawn on an actual date, as expected by here it is reported that 'after' 2022 has been suggested:

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/sage-scientist-summer-holiday-2022-b1805999.html

I assume the July time frame has come from the government keen to avoid a backlash along the lines of what we can see on here.

[quote PersimmonTree]@GreenlandTheMovie. Like the govt, MN doesn't really do nuanced, I don't think. Little point in talking complete sense on here. [/quote]
It’s mumsnet
What do you expect
I don’t come here for nuanced debate
That’s with friends
Not an anymore parenting forum!

This thread is very frustrating for those on the other thread that pointed out that many people don't want to holiday, they want to see family. I married someone from another European country, so the children's family are there. Not unreasonable to want to see their grandparents.

Those saying -well, my children can't see their grandparents in the UK either, absolutely true. This doesn't mean everyone traveling abroad wants to go on holiday though, these two things are independent.

I don't agree with restricting you in your own home not to see your own relatives though, if that's your choice. I see it as a threat to private life for the state to be able to burst into your own home and tell you you can't sit with your own grandparent. You can't even choose who you die with either. Appalling. I broke the rules in the last week of my grandma's life and I don't feel remotely sorry (at the time, palliative care visits were not technically allowed, this was only changed later on when its true inhumanity was revealed).

I get why it has to be done, not sure why its a year later and when half the population have nearly been vaccinated but that’s another matter

But So many people don’t seem to realise how much the travel industry has suffered and in turn so many other industries linked to it, not just the airline crew and airports

I lost my job (in aviation) beginning of the pandemic, we provided media (online entertainment, newspapers, magazines), so our company is gone, that included warehouse staff, drivers, sales and admin, the many MANY companies that provided the media are either gone or hanging by a thread , the delivery companies and freight companies in between us who deliver media and deliver to airports have suffered majorly.

That was just my area, just imagine every other thing that is linked to travel, even a simple company that you wouldn’t think of (laundry for lounges as an example) and the various other companies on the back of that.

[quote PersimmonTree]@GreenlandTheMovie. Like the govt, MN doesn't really do nuanced, I don't think. Little point in talking complete sense on here. [/quote]

I feel very mixed about this - overall I resent the restrictions on freedom, and a year ago would have said New Zealand was going way too far, wouldn’t be able to get their borders back open. But now I think life in New Zealand looks pretty good and I’d be willing to not leave the country for 1-3 years if it meant we could have zero restrictions here. And I’m someone who used to travel at least once or twice a month for work or personal travel.

I’m more concerned about the protesting bill they’re trying to bring in - that’s a long term and indefinite erosion of liberties.

@SignsofSpring

This thread is very frustrating for those on the other thread that pointed out that many people don't want to holiday, they want to see family. I married someone from another European country, so the children's family are there. Not unreasonable to want to see their grandparents.

Those saying -well, my children can't see their grandparents in the UK either, absolutely true. This doesn't mean everyone traveling abroad wants to go on holiday though, these two things are independent.

I don't agree with restricting you in your own home not to see your own relatives though, if that's your choice. I see it as a threat to private life for the state to be able to burst into your own home and tell you you can't sit with your own grandparent. You can't even choose who you die with either. Appalling. I broke the rules in the last week of my grandma's life and I don't feel remotely sorry (at the time, palliative care visits were not technically allowed, this was only changed later on when its true inhumanity was revealed).

So what you’re saying is because your children want to see their families abroad it’s different to wanting to go on holiday yet some children in the UK can’t see their families either but they’re two independent things?

You make no sense.

Are you saying you’re different because you have family abroad so you’re exempt from travel restrictions because you’re not going to the beach? Picking up a Version of covid on the beach or in the deepest depths of Bavaria makes no difference really. Can you see my logic?

Are you saying you’re different because you have family abroad so you’re exempt from travel restrictions because you’re not going to the beach? Picking up a Version of covid on the beach or in the deepest depths of Bavaria makes no difference really

It's a question of risk though isn't it? How many people have elderly relatives overseas? How many people go on holiday overseas? The numbers will be very different. Yes someone could visit their granny in Bavaria and bring something back, but it's far more likely that the millions going to Spain and Greece every year will bring something back.

There is a care exemption for people needing to visit elderly relatives within the UK, and it should apply if you have elderly relatives outside the UK too. But people don't need a holiday overseas, there are loads of nice places in the UK (hint, it doesn't have to be Cornwall).

An easier position to maintain is mine - that all the mandatory rules breach our rights and should go ( even if my own risk of death is much higher - I would rather be free with a higher risk of death).

@notalwaysalondoner

I feel very mixed about this - overall I resent the restrictions on freedom, and a year ago would have said New Zealand was going way too far, wouldn’t be able to get their borders back open. But now I think life in New Zealand looks pretty good and I’d be willing to not leave the country for 1-3 years if it meant we could have zero restrictions here. And I’m someone who used to travel at least once or twice a month for work or personal travel.

I’m more concerned about the protesting bill they’re trying to bring in - that’s a long term and indefinite erosion of liberties.

To be fair if it stops swarms of lowlifes rioting and burning cars in towns and cities I’m all for it. Protesters usually fall into two camps, the ones who can give a balanced reason behind their beliefs and debate logically and the ones jumping on a bandwagon simply to cause disruption and chaos.

As for NZ, Instagram is full of memes with Kiwis at music festivals having the time of their lives with people saying how they wish it was like that here, yet they forget that country has had its borders shut pretty much the duration of the pandemic with strict measures in places to get them to that position. Also try leaving and entering NZ now, it’s like Fort Knox.

They want the normality just not the sacrifices to get there.

@TownTalkJewels

To those who are OK with this- how long will you be OK with it for?

There will be variants springing up abroad for years to come, given the time it will take to vaccinate the world. That risk isn’t going away.

Are you ok with this law being in force for, say, 3 years?

Just trying to understand the limits of people’s compliance with this issue in particular.

I haven't been abroad for 16 years. I'd rather put the money into our own economy and there are plenty of places in the UK that I haven't been to yet so it really doesn't bother me

@Covetthee

I get why it has to be done, not sure why its a year later and when half the population have nearly been vaccinated but that’s another matter

But So many people don’t seem to realise how much the travel industry has suffered and in turn so many other industries linked to it, not just the airline crew and airports

I lost my job (in aviation) beginning of the pandemic, we provided media (online entertainment, newspapers, magazines), so our company is gone, that included warehouse staff, drivers, sales and admin, the many MANY companies that provided the media are either gone or hanging by a thread , the delivery companies and freight companies in between us who deliver media and deliver to airports have suffered majorly.

That was just my area, just imagine every other thing that is linked to travel, even a simple company that you wouldn’t think of (laundry for lounges as an example) and the various other companies on the back of that.

Exactly! It's the same with the 'Close the pubs and restaurants' brigade. 'No one needs to drink/go out to eat. You can cook at home!' No thought to the huge amount of industry that supports these two trades.

Worth remembering that the U.K. is the country who let virus run wild so much that ut managed to develop a strain that caused problems. The same strain that is now creating problems in Europe (hence why they are now struggling with it too

That is incorrect, it developed in someone with long covid.

[quote Trustisamust]@UsedUpUsername My very unwell 80 yo MIL has only seen her new granddaughter once (her son's only - and last - child). So no, you're not the only one being asked to make sacrifices here.[/quote]
Why are you ok with this?

@Xenia

An easier position to maintain is mine - that all the mandatory rules breach our rights and should go ( even if my own risk of death is much higher - I would rather be free with a higher risk of death).

I suggest you take a trip to Brazil. They have no restrictions there so you can live your life rule free. They also have a President who thinks just like you that it’s nothing. See how you get on with a crippled health system.

I’m sure You’ll be just fine- take some Lemsip and a hand gel.

I don’t give a hoot whether people want to go abroad to see their granny or to sit on a beach and read a trashy novel (me)

I don’t think the former should take priority. Fact that my children don’t have a granny in this country or abroad, and I don’t have a brother in Spain - shouldn’t mean those with family abroad get priority over those who went a holiday !

Are you saying you’re different because you have family abroad so you’re exempt from travel restrictions because you’re not going to the beach? Picking up a Version of covid on the beach or in the deepest depths of Bavaria makes no difference really

No, I'm saying going on about selfish holidaymakers wanting two weeks in the sun is not the only reason people need to leave the country, like visiting relatives who live in other countries. Many people are mixed culture/international families, so it isn't all about holidays and it's fine to holiday in the UK, selfish holidaymakers and so on.

As people also need to travel for work.

I think it's a massive imposition to not be able to leave the country to see my relatives, but then I think it's a massive imposition not to be able to travel in the UK to see them as well in our own private homes.