Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

@BackforGood

What's more shocking is that this wasn't the case a year ago.

Like Australia and like New Zealand, we are an island nation.
Let's compare the data.......

Exactly. This was badly handled a year ago. Talk about shutting the door after the horse has bolted.

All those conspiracy theorists aren't looking so conspiratorial after all....🤔

Australia and New Zealand are both islands miles away from any other land masses. They also have low population compared to the Uk and Europe.

Christ I’m depressed at the folk who don’t realise that the police already have the power to stop rioting and violent disorder. The new bill doesn’t change that- it means that Patel gets to decide which peaceful protest she finds annoying. So, yes, David Ratcliffe or anything that might paint the government in a poor light. It’s a dreadful, repressive bill and I can see why people are protesting. I don’t condone the violence at all.

If Australia and NZ are so much better, why not apply for a visa and move there? We don't live there. Couldn't care less about Aus and NZ, I don't live there.

I'm really uncertain where I stand with regard to the right to family life issue for people with family abroad. Of course if I were in that position I'd want to see my family. But is there a case for saying that, by choosing to live in a different country, you've already decided to limit your own right to family life? And that that shouldn't trump the right to life of everyone else? I really don't want a return to the sort of death rates that we were seeing in January.

@Nith there’s a highly effective vaccine now

I think branding everyone who travelled in summer when covid rates were low/everyone who wants to travel now as selfish is unfair. For lots of people, mainly Europeans with family abroad, regular international travel is an important part of life-they chose to live in the UK on the basis that they could quickly and easily visit family in Europe. To deny them this until the world is vaccinated is basically the same as if lockdown measures in the uk were extended so no one could see family here. No one would call being upset about this selfish. I also think the idea that no one should go abroad in case they bring back nasty foreign diseases is silly-there is a way to allow travel (only allow travel to countries with similar covid rates to uk, testing, reasonable price quarantine on return). The second wave in the uk wasn’t caused by holidaymakers bringing in covid, it was caused by a new variant that originated in the UK itself. I went on holiday in summer to a remote part of a European country that had lower rates of covid than the UK, and I got a private test before travelling each way. I’m sure I came into contact with less people than those who took the ‘safer’ option of sitting on a crammed beach in Cornwall or elsewhere in the UK with no testing, yet I was the selfish idiot according to some people.

@AnaofBroceliande

If Australia and NZ are so much better, why not apply for a visa and move there? We don't live there. Couldn't care less about Aus and NZ, I don't live there.

Not sure who this is to but if me 🙄 not saying they are, yet we’ve had to put up with posts going on about it for a year.

It wasn’t even possible here anyway

I am shocked at the number of people cheering this on. That frightens me

These reasonable measures don't frighten me. What frightened me was the Bristol violence and riots. And all of that is what will bring us closer to a left wing totalitarian regime (not a temporary suspension of holidays abroad)

@Stratfordplace

Captainmycaptain are you saying cancer screening and treatments have been normal? They haven’t. I personally know of a huge backlog of breast cancer screening whilst a department was shut. I also know of treatment that has been delayed and is now of no use because the patient is now terminal.

Maybe it's just my area that has been managing quite well, then, although I don't deny there have been some delays and it has been difficult to get a GP appointment in some, but not all, cases. I have my breast screening next week, pretty much on time. Dh was diagnosed with a heart condition during the first lockdown although he may not get treated this year as it wasn't classed as urgent.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/364/pdfs/uksi_20210364_en.pdf. Page 70 of the guidelines outline all new travel details.

I should point out that it allows for caring for a vulnerable person, and the guidelines state that is anyone over 70. So those of us with elderly relatives may be able to see them, it's semi-unclear.

A lot of it is jealousy and bitterness, that's all. They're jealous that some people have been on holiday so they'll attack them to make themselves feel better.

@Stratfordplace

Freedom is being eroded. I find it disturbing.

It would be disturbing if there was no context for this. But unless you have walled your home with tinfoil then you have to admit there is a global pandemic.

All declarations of liberty take account of the the need to suspend freedoms for periods. And a public health crisis, like war, is one of the reasons. The question is whether freedoms get restored. The UK has fairly strong record in this regard, often enacting more progressive change as a society.

Would as fucked off as I and many others feel right now the period of time it will last is part of it

Shorter I can handle more

All of you agreeing with this just to let you know the list of exceptions of who this doesn’t apply to includes anyone who works in the English government and any one traveling for work, but yeah you are right we are all in this together. Lots of “business trips” coming up I imagine.

Some incredibly dramatic posters on here. Have you been travelling anyway? What difference does it make? Do you understand that if it wasn't for people who wouldn't comply with scientific advice they wouldn't have to criminalise such measures?

@Ferrylights

All those conspiracy theorists aren't looking so conspiratorial after all....🤔

Er, yes they are.

All those conspiracy theorists aren't looking so conspiratorial after all....

They're looking thick as shit tbh.

I’m confused...isn’t this the current law anyway? And it’s not forever; it’s temporary.

I think we need to stop buying into and perpetuating this hysteria.

I can’t wait for a holiday, however, I understand that a virus doesn’t travel by itself, it is carried and spread and it is a logical move to limit the movement of those who can spread it.

It won’t be long until the vaccine means more freedom. We’ve made it this far - we just need to keep going.

But unless you have walled your home with tinfoil then you have to admit there is a global pandemic

It seems the penny hasn't dropped for some 1+ years later. Odd

Covid restrictions - fine. And I can see that another year of not travelling abroad may well be necessary. But I do worry that so much else is getting pushed through along with the Covid restrictions. The ban on protests if the Home Secretary decides they might be annoying, and no doubt lots of other things we just aren't aware of but will find out about later. We only became properly aware of the policing bill because of the Clapham vigil and the response to that.

@WiganNorthWest

I think branding everyone who travelled in summer when covid rates were low/everyone who wants to travel now as selfish is unfair. For lots of people, mainly Europeans with family abroad, regular international travel is an important part of life-they chose to live in the UK on the basis that they could quickly and easily visit family in Europe. To deny them this until the world is vaccinated is basically the same as if lockdown measures in the uk were extended so no one could see family here. No one would call being upset about this selfish. I also think the idea that no one should go abroad in case they bring back nasty foreign diseases is silly-there is a way to allow travel (only allow travel to countries with similar covid rates to uk, testing, reasonable price quarantine on return). The second wave in the uk wasn’t caused by holidaymakers bringing in covid, it was caused by a new variant that originated in the UK itself. I went on holiday in summer to a remote part of a European country that had lower rates of covid than the UK, and I got a private test before travelling each way. I’m sure I came into contact with less people than those who took the ‘safer’ option of sitting on a crammed beach in Cornwall or elsewhere in the UK with no testing, yet I was the selfish idiot according to some people.

Well said - this is a common sense post. I totally agree with you.

These reasonable measures don't frighten me. What frightened me was the Bristol violence and riots. And all of that is what will bring us closer to a left wing totalitarian regime (not a temporary suspension of holidays abroad)

The riots were in response to the Bill banning peaceful protests.

I think you are naive to believe that any of this will be temporary.

Some of us are blindly wandering into an authoritarian state of being now in the U.K. This will lead to further unrest for sure.

We are supposed to be emerging from the pandemic now. Remember all the jubilation on here a few weeks ago with the road map?

Why then are we sitting back and allowing these even more severe restrictions/ laws to happen?

Those who riot are awake. The rest of us are sleeping.

We have two choices, just two:

1. We either carry on travelling and bring back new variants and cancel out all of the progress we have made with vaccines, and go back to square one in a lockdown and all that entails.

Or

2. We stay at home this year for a holiday, we bank the vaccine progress and we have some kind of normality and quality of life

You CANT have both!!!!!

It is not conspiracy bloody theories or any other such bollocks. Your week burning on the beaches of Spain this year will cost you potentially your job, your kids education, your livelihood, your life possibly, your future and everything else that means anything to you.

When you think about it like that is a no brainer!

And I say that as someone that is absolutely desperate to boil my brain somewhere exotic and I have worked throughout the pandemic, and I am beyond tired.

We have to understand the consequences, and they are extremely bad if the worst case scenario happens.