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Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

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Dugee · 22/03/2021 22:10

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

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Okbussitout · 23/03/2021 08:57

This is such a selfish middle class concern. When people have had so much hardship to want to go abroad and put others at risk is beyond selfish. I was not one of the nutters freaking out about what counted as essential from the supermarket or how far away from your home you could exercise. So I'd say I've been sensible but not ott in my approach. But honestly this does my head in.

I feel like so much I've built my life around has been taken from me I'm sure I'm not alone. Travel is one of the things I love but honestly if I could have everything else back I'd give up travel for several years. It just feels like the people who want holidays want it all. Also if this is your main concern it just makes me feel youve had lockdown easy.

And no homeschooling isn't a hard time, loss of your income and health is hard time.

user1471523870 · 23/03/2021 08:58

I will go abroad in late May, whatever restrictions or fines or quarantine rules in place. My family lives abroad and I haven't seen my parents for a long time now, their only grandchild is growing so quickly and their health is deteriorating. Most of the people in this country could at least see their parents from the garden, many could bubble up or chose to bend the rules to be around them in some shape or form. I couldn't.
Be with your close family for the reasons mentioned above is not on the list of permitted exceptions, but I can't take it any longer.

NextDoorKnobber · 23/03/2021 08:58

@MaxNormal

If you think that's what it's like in north Korea, you need to read up on north Korea

The poor government have to start somewhere, I don't expect them to get there overnight. But it's a start at least.

PMSL.

They're trying their best, @MaxNormal

mrsrobin · 23/03/2021 09:00

I wish people would stop harping on about lying on a beach abroad (and as if it is nearly a crime to want to).
I am wondering if I will ever see my daughter who lives in Indonesia again. There are lots of people with relatives all over the world, not just in Europe.

notimagain · 23/03/2021 09:02

wasn’t there that hoo ha over max sentence a while back

The max sentence "hoo ha", as I recall it, was specifically over the penalties for lying about your travel history (i.e. avoiding managed quarantine by not fessing up to somewhere on the red list).

If uk gov is to be believed it has actually been "illegal to go on holiday" for some time, so I'm not sure what the "hoo ha" about that is, but the specific second home caveat does seem to be a new exemption..it's almost as if in reality the rules are actually being relaxed for some....

MarshaBradyo · 23/03/2021 09:05

@notimagain

wasn’t there that hoo ha over max sentence a while back

The max sentence "hoo ha", as I recall it, was specifically over the penalties for lying about your travel history (i.e. avoiding managed quarantine by not fessing up to somewhere on the red list).

If uk gov is to be believed it has actually been "illegal to go on holiday" for some time, so I'm not sure what the "hoo ha" about that is, but the specific second home caveat does seem to be a new exemption..it's almost as if in reality the rules are actually being relaxed for some....

I really loathe “quote marks” so pointless
Cherryvalentine · 23/03/2021 09:06

It is absurd, but if you suggest that on here you get sworn at and shrieked at, called thick, naïve and a conspiracy theorist.

TakeMe2Insanity · 23/03/2021 09:06

Personally, i wish they’d focus quarantining everyone on arrival. Reduce passenger flights. My son loves watching planes as we live on a flight path and it is shocking how many are still coming in. I’m fine with freight cargo but no need for the daily passenger flights. I’d prefer it if they’d quarantine all on arrival like in China, Australia, Singapore etc and allow us a freer more open society. We’re on track with vaccinations. Why not?

Lastfreakinglegs · 23/03/2021 09:06

Bang goes my holiday to Brittany on a ferry and camping then. Planned late May scheduled from 2019

WouldBeGood · 23/03/2021 09:07

Surely this won’t last long?

jessstan2 · 23/03/2021 09:08

@Okbussitout

This is such a selfish middle class concern. When people have had so much hardship to want to go abroad and put others at risk is beyond selfish. I was not one of the nutters freaking out about what counted as essential from the supermarket or how far away from your home you could exercise. So I'd say I've been sensible but not ott in my approach. But honestly this does my head in.

I feel like so much I've built my life around has been taken from me I'm sure I'm not alone. Travel is one of the things I love but honestly if I could have everything else back I'd give up travel for several years. It just feels like the people who want holidays want it all. Also if this is your main concern it just makes me feel youve had lockdown easy.

And no homeschooling isn't a hard time, loss of your income and health is hard time.

I agree wholeheartedly with this (though do have sympathy for those with loved ones abroad). Most of us can put up with the restrictions for a while longer.
Itsalonghaul · 23/03/2021 09:11

Better late than never.

MagpieSong · 23/03/2021 09:11

@Tal45

We should have locked down properly like NZ a year ago, it doesn't make any difference how close or far away other countries are if you don't let people out/in.

As an aside the violent riots make me agree even with the bill. Oh dear we can no longer damage property and make a huge racket about it disturbing all the residents and think we can get away with it -and have to have a start and finish time so it can be properly policed. How awful to take away our rights to riot and smash stuff up and block roads that emergency vehicles may need to use. Pathetic.

That isn't what the bill is about. Police already have the right to deal with violent protests - hence when we see riot police, boxing in, forceful arrests and so on. What this bill does is give Police the right to stop all protests (even 1 person protests eg. When Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's husband did 1 person protests outside No. 10) if those protests 'irritate' someone or are 'too loud'. There is no clarity on what 'too loud' or 'irritating' is. By the very definition of protest, it is supposed to disrupt and irritate at times.

We do not have a right to 'riot' at the moment, nor a right to violent protests. What this new bill will do is say we can only whisper quietly about important issues during a defined time with both start and finish times given. That is NOT ok. I don't know about you, but when we protest, we shout so people can hear. Some people join in who didn't know about it before. We want the message to get across. This is not about preventing violence, this is about incorrect control where statues are given more respect than humans and our racist Home Sec. calls Black Lives Matter protests 'dreadful', but fails to comment on Britain First riots that are always violent and have no point but Nationalist racism and white supremacy. Article 11 gives us the right to associate with others and gather together for a common purpose - this includes freedom to protest. It does not include being only ever given times to do so (sometimes times or specific areas are given when they want to avoid trouble eg. when left and far-right protest at the same time, but to say no one can sporadically protest in a time of a serious problem is wrong), nor the right of Police to deem something an irritant to a single person and therefore close it down. A protest is not done to make the Police's jobs easy (and most protests do not condone violence, it is usually a small few in a protest who become violent either for alcohol related reasons or because of longstanding anger around a subject - the latter still is often not condoned or encouraged by organisiers), protest is done to raise awareness about opinions on a subject matter or important issue. To give Police powers to prevent this is against human rights.

WiganNorthWest · 23/03/2021 09:12

I wish people wouldn’t compare the UK to Australia and NZ. The situations are totally different-vastly different population densities, and geographical isolation of these countries mean they get far far fewer visitors even in normal times. By the time the WHO declared a pandemic (and even as far back as feb 2020) there were many many cases in the UK already and spreading through local transmission as London is a massive international hub with one of the worlds busiest airports. Whereas there were almost no cases in Australia and New Zealand when people became aware of the pandemic so they were able to use control strategies that wouldn’t be effective in the UK. Also, there is less of a culture of regular international travel due to aus and NZ being isolated (and beaches, mountains etc). Get on a plane in Sydney and after 5 hours you will still be flying over Australia. Get on a plane in London and in 5 hours you can be in Egypt, having flown over countless nations and millions of people. We can not compare ourselves to these isolated countries.

RampantIvy · 23/03/2021 09:12

Re my previous post - Violent riots are NOT the answer.

I didn't vote for this government, but I would still like to hear about some sensible solutions to deal with this mess, going forward, from the conspiracy theorists.

Allowing everyone to do what they like when they like doesn't work because not everyone is prepared to behave responsibly. We are all paying the price because of the behaviour of the irresponsible, thoughtless and selfish people.

AnotherEmma · 23/03/2021 09:14

@WouldBeGood

Surely this won’t last long?
This is what I thought a year ago Sad
Flowers24 · 23/03/2021 09:14

Im confused as thought they said weeks ago they were illegal, how long for?

Dustyboots · 23/03/2021 09:14

I’m not shocked that going on holiday abroad is now illegal. Soon many things we once took for granted will be. Our freedoms are being eroded.

I am shocked at the number of people cheering this on. That frightens me.

WouldBeGood · 23/03/2021 09:14

That’s true @AnotherEmma

I’m feeling down and clutching at straws

WouldBeGood · 23/03/2021 09:15

@Dustyboots

I’m not shocked that going on holiday abroad is now illegal. Soon many things we once took for granted will be. Our freedoms are being eroded.

I am shocked at the number of people cheering this on. That frightens me.

Me too @Dustyboots. It’s truly terrifying
Cherryvalentine · 23/03/2021 09:15

If they said masks were compulsory in your own home there would be posters on here cheering it on, labelling anybody who didn't do it as 'selfish'. At what point will it stop?!

MarshaBradyo · 23/03/2021 09:16

@Dustyboots

I’m not shocked that going on holiday abroad is now illegal. Soon many things we once took for granted will be. Our freedoms are being eroded.

I am shocked at the number of people cheering this on. That frightens me.

So many have been wanting this since last March - citing Aus / NZ as better
Stratfordplace · 23/03/2021 09:17

Captainmycaptain are you saying cancer screening and treatments have been normal? They haven’t. I personally know of a huge backlog of breast cancer screening whilst a department was shut. I also know of treatment that has been delayed and is now of no use because the patient is now terminal.

UsedUpUsername · 23/03/2021 09:17

@Cherryvalentine

If they said masks were compulsory in your own home there would be posters on here cheering it on, labelling anybody who didn't do it as 'selfish'. At what point will it stop?!
It won’t stop unless they get pushback, sadly.
tangerinelollipop · 23/03/2021 09:17

I really wish people would consider the long term implications of what's happening

Stop the hyperbolic scaremongering please. The 'long term implications' is that we will hopefully get the virus under control and life will return to normal.

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