Can this be true? Tons of people lying to get vaccine.

[NaturalBlondeYeahRight]

My mum has just told me that my dodgy cousin (about 30) has just had his vaccine with all of his builder mates by lying and saying they are ‘unpaid carers’ on the nhs website. She said no one bothered to check any of them.
Firstly, how bloody outrageous of them pulling the wool over the vaccine centres eyes and secondly, why isn’t their any check, however minor?
I know we all need to get done eventually but this has really pissed me off.

[quote SleepingStandingUp]**@Lentillover1900* but even your child could go to pretty much the first available foster carers. Id say mine would go to the local hospice but that can't happen if it's covid so we'd be needing a specialist foster carer or a hospital bed. And he's fairly straightforward- O2 and gastostromy , nothing like as hard as @x2boys* for example[/quote]
Excuse me?
children of single parents with no support network be placed with foster carers?

You’re on your own there thankfully with that suggestion

People, who are over 50 or even 50 before the end of (I think) April can book now. You don’t have to wait to be called. What this means is you will be offered a place at a number of places but perhaps not your Gp surgery. If you wait to be called via text or mail, you can book at your Gp surgery.

My dh got the text and he booked at the surgery. I thought best try to book mine then. So I did and got the text the following day. As a result I had to go further afield. Wish I’d waited now as I’m disabled. But dh took me and it’s done....

@BorisJohnsonsSocks

Does anybody know when the 20s will get vaccinated? I'm due to go into Navy in June. Im guessing they will just give it me then?

You’ll get it in turn.

DH is in the RAF and is getting his on Wednesday due to his age . He couldn’t get one any earlier, despite being my unpaid carer because I’m not CEV.

I’ve just put DS1’s details in to see if this works, he’s the only one who won’t have had one in our family, and it doesn’t. I’d have to be CEV.

@SixDegrees

I thought you had to be flagged as an unpaid career on your GP’s systems before you could book via the NHS website?

I think its very confusing as I don't think all GPs have a procedure for flagging it up. Hopefully they all will after this! At mine - I was therea couple of years ago and just spotted they had some very "home made" looking proformas on the counter. Others have forms on line. Im in a carers group and some surgeries have been telling carers they are not eligible to jave the vaccine in group 6.

M1551nglink If you're over 50 you should be able to book on the national site now (provided you are willing to travel a little way).

Last Wednesday, the day that news emerged of a “significant reduction” in vaccine supply in April, the number of people booking appointments doubled.

Also the national booking system opened up to over 50s. I booked on Weds and had my jab today. There were absolutely loads of free appointments, I could have gone on the Thursday if I was willing to go to a different centre.

Well where else would children of single parents with no support network be placed If their parent became ill @Lentillover1900 ? It's a shame you can't understand why parents of children with complex disabilities are in front of you in the vaccine queue but there we are .

Some young people such as teenagers and children can be in the misfortune position of being unpaid Carers to their mum or Dad or other relatives of their family ,.the case may be !

Obviously any system can in theory be taken advantaged off, by someone who is manipulative and who really wants to do that ect !

its easy to jump to Assumptions that just a young person is healthy that they are care free ect !
Its not allways the case

There are a lot of invisible unpaid children/young people in our society !

There does seem to be a number of people gaming the system, so to speak. In the hope to get their vaccine passports to jet off this summer, I suspect.

I don't blame staff/volunteers for not doing these admin checks on the day when people turn up for the vaccine tbh, because if they start turning people away, they'll end up with a surplus and either have to call people off reserve lists which means staying at these vaccination centres later or they'll go to waste I think (more work).

@x2boys

Well where else would children of single parents with no support network be placed If their parent became ill *@Lentillover1900* ? It's a shame you can't understand why parents of children with complex disabilities are in front of you in the vaccine queue but there we are .

I absolutely do think they should be ahead of single parents I genuinely do.

But I do feel that single parents with no support network should be considered

"children of single parents with no support network be placed with foster carers?

You’re on your own there thankfully with that suggestion"

The reality is that is what would happen. They would stay with a local foster carer. The problem is that will not be available for children with significant needs who need specialist care.

Oops I ment to say there are lots of unpaid Carers who are children and young people ,
Who are invisible in our society !

I actually have no problem with anyone taking a vaccine that is going to go to waste because of no shows. I have no problem with anyone taking the vaccine FULL STOP. Every single person contributes towards a national immunity so we can get our lives back. There has been no shortage of vaccines up to now and I've not heard any stories of people being unable to get it. They're going to be called at some point in the near future anyway and if they feel that are at risk for any reason and want it now let them have it.

Personally I don’t think that much of an issue. Any “cheats” are presumably 18- 49 and will get their jabs before July, maybe June anyway. In some ways, it’s a nice problem to have. Better than the opposite problem of huge numbers of people not wanting a vaccine at all!

@NaturalBlondeYeahRight, yes I was using that link. I can't see what the options are now because I have already had the first vaccine, booked by the GP, so it doesn't give me the options to tick any more. When I did try weeks ago, it definitely wasn't an option.

Not really the same but my son's head said all staff had been offered the vaccine the other day. I also have another teacher friend who said her school had also been offered them. My sister said when she was vaccinated there were loads of firefighters there who had had a phone call to say there would be spares. In that case I think it's quite good as they're not going to waste and more vulnerable workers are getting them. Weird that the government don't mention that though and say it's just based on age.

I don't understand why people are talking about being asked for proof. Online it clearly says:
Will I have to prove my status as an unpaid carer to get my vaccine? When you go and get your vaccine, its advised you take along with you the confirmation of your appointment, photo id to prove your identity and your NHS number if you have it. You do not gave to prove that you are a carer.

DS looks after his partner, who is CEV. He is fit, healthy and working from home. Partner is often fine and few would appreciate her problems. However, when she overdoes things, or gets a minor bug it can floor her - think bed-ridden for a week with a cold. She is currently going to 3x weekly physio and DS takes her. If DS got ill it would have to stop. When she is ill, she cannot easily feed herself. DS does a lot of the cooking/cleaning etc, so energy can be spent of more fun things.

He decided to book an appointment to protect her and make sure he is well if needed. It was easy to book.

However, he received a text 48 hours before the vaccine asking him to bring evidence he was a carer. After a bit of google searching, he contacted our GP who added a line to his medical notes (after a little questioning) and he provided this as evidence. He also took the vaccination card of his partner, which shows a Feb 1st vaccine date. As there has to be a reason for a 26 year old to get that early a date, we thought this enough. The centre were fine with it, but did look at it.

The doctors’ receptionist was a bit “off” saying suddenly everyone’s a carer. My DS responded (politely) that yes, many people were and this was one of the first times it has ever had to be recorded if you are unpaid. Then commiserated with her for the extra workload it caused.

There are a lot of unpaid carers in this country. Some are young and people who do not have details of their lives might think they have jumped the queue. I’m sure some people will jump the queue, but as they are an unrecorded group, we need to accept that as a price for vaccinating the “real” group.

Yep I know people who have done this.

My neighbours had their children at school for the last lockdown (UK) because she didn’t want them at home like the first lockdown. She isn’t a key worker or a carer, she just has no interest in looking after her children aged 5 and 8.

It probably happens but I have also been told of people being turned away. In the end it’s a mass vaccination programme so the fact that some people get it early doesn’t massively matter.

@Sleepyblueocean

"secondly, why isn’t their any check, however minor?"

What would that check be?

As far as I know, one has to be registered as a carer to qualify for being in that group. Letters inviting people to make their appointment/phone calls telling when the appointment is make specific mention of that. Carers are usually registered with their GP surgery as a carer, and that's how they also qualify for the annual 'flu' jab.

The suggestion that people would lie to jump a queue and put others at further risk is just shit. Sadly, humanity has plenty of shitty people in it, as well as good ones. There are those who are the equivalent of the wartime spivs, who'll do anything to make money/profiteer. That happened at the start of this pandemic, too.

I prefer animals to people much of the time. This is one of the reasons why. One generally knows where one stands with animals.

I know I'll be slated for this but I'm one of the people who lied about being an unpaid carer to get the vaccine.

I'm CEV (have been diagnosed with a life shortening lung condition which is on the CEV list, and also been diagnosed with schizophrenia). I should have been in group 4 for vaccinations.

Unfortunately my GP surgery closed down recently and although I've registered with a new GP, my medical records have become lost and the new GP doesn't have my medical records yet.

So I've completely fallen through the cracks.

I spent over an hour on the phone with 119 and then 101 (who 119 told me to call) asking why is there no way I can take my mountain of medical evidence that I'm CEV (my PIP paperwork, and letters from my specialists stating that I am CEV) and somehow show it to someone in the NHS or someone involved in the vaccine rollout, so that I can be placed in the group 4 list.

Was told nope that's not how the system is set up, it's all by GP.

Practically everyone I know has already been vaccinated, and these are young 20-somethings who possibly have a hidden condition but who I've seen on Facebook partying all summer who certainly were not shielding. On the other hand I know medically vulnerable older people who are still waiting. I know families where the carer was called before the patient, madness!

If I hadn't lied, I wouldn't even have been put on group 6 but would have had to wait until healthy young people are vaccinated which could take months.

I don't want the jab so I can go on holiday or anything like that, I just want to not die. I strictly shielded alone in a horrible bedsit for six months, went six months without speaking to a single person except for hospital appointments, and all my mental health care was cut off including having to go off my antisychotic medication cold turkey. I attempted suicide twice due to complete social isolation and being denied access to mental health care.

If I'd not lied I would have died, I'm 100% certain of that.

I agree lying is absolutely not OK.

I felt guilty as I was invited this week. I couldn't understand why as I am under 30, mild asthma (no way bad enough to be UHC). It turned out it was because I had a very minor operation two years ago and the hospital has invited huge numbers of ex-patients. It isn't in line with the guidance.

But then when I got there the doctor doing my vaccine explained they are having problems with uptake. He said the supply is there so they are just trying to get as many people vaccinated while alongside running campaigns and education programmes with local community groups to try and get uptake higher. He said so many vaccines were getting wasted at one point so they really do just want to get as many people as possible jabbed. They were doing 1000 per day at the hospital I went to.

So then I didn't feel so bad!

This is definitely happening. An acquaintance of mine just yesterday told me that she has declared herself a 'carer' for a disabled client she does 2hrs cleaning for per week, and had a vaccine off the back of this. She was very proud of herself for circumnavigating the system and getting herself an earlier slot than her age and personal health qualified her for.

The nhs site didn’t ask me anything - just name, don and my doctors surgery. Nothing else.

@PurpleCrocuses you did absolutely nothing wrong and only a monster would say otherwise.