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London protest

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DogsSausages · 20/03/2021 16:17

Another anti lockdown protest in London, the police will be criticised if they arrest anyone, they cannot win. Why can't people just stay at home, haven't enough people died.

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NoseinBook3 · 20/03/2021 21:06

If the vaccine effort is for nothing and these measures remain in place for longer than needed, then I can understand them chanting that.

What’s the point in the vaccine if not to get back to normal life?

I say this as a person who has already had the first vaccine.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 20/03/2021 21:11

'So actually, right now, I'm more concerned about the fact that policemen have the right to manhandle, handcuff and arrest women for peacefully protesting against male violence'

Yes the images of women being arrested last week did initially seem disturbing until you read the reports that what should have been a peaceful vigil had been infiltrated by activists and arseholes chanting all cops are bastards etc.

'If the vaccine effort is for nothing and these measures remain in place for longer than needed, then I can understand them chanting that.'

Who says they will be? The vaccine effort isn't 'for nothing', there's a rosdmap you should Google it.

msbehavin · 20/03/2021 21:24

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'So actually, right now, I'm more concerned about the fact that policemen have the right to manhandle, handcuff and arrest women for peacefully protesting against male violence'

Yes the images of women being arrested last week did initially seem disturbing until you read the reports that what should have been a peaceful vigil had been infiltrated by activists and arseholes chanting all cops are bastards etc.

'If the vaccine effort is for nothing and these measures remain in place for longer than needed, then I can understand them chanting that.'

Who says they will be? The vaccine effort isn't 'for nothing', there's a rosdmap you should Google it.

So the presence of some (largely male) activists chanting at the police justifies their violence towards the women who were there peacefully protesting?

I was there. I saw what happened. Yes there were a load of (male) arseholes who turned up to make it all about them (as per) and stirred up trouble. But the women who were dragged off the bandstand had just been sitting there, peacefully. When you're dragged by your hair and put in handcuffs by several huge policemen just for refusing to move - I'd say that was a bit of an overreaction, wouldn't you? What possible risk did those women pose to those men that warranted such violent behaviour towards them? Are you saying that's ok? The police should be allowed to treat citizens engaged in peaceful protest in this manner? It really doesn't bother you?

I mean, to me, it was highly disturbing and upsetting, especially considering the person who killed the girl we were all there to commemorate was a policeman too.

But hey, if apparently we as a society think that calling someone an arsehole gives them the right to beat you up, no wonder an average of two women are killed by their partners every week in this country. Another statistic that no one seems to care about because it doesn't contain the word 'covid'.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 20/03/2021 21:33

'But hey, if apparently we as a society think that calling someone an arsehole gives them the right to beat you up, '

Oh stop with your constant exagerrations. Nobody ws 'beaten up', like all protests some people got arrested.

This current one seems like a mish mash of peooe who don't even know what they are protesting about.

emsyj37 · 20/03/2021 21:36

Could not agree more @msbehavin, with all you have said. These are frightening times - and not because of Covid.

LunaHeather · 20/03/2021 21:41

@Doyoumind

Well, I think they are idiots.

I saw on Twitter someone claiming the bus drivers were showing their support by beeping their horns. I see the video. They were beeping them to get them out of the middle of the road.

Outdoors transmission is less likely but not impossible. They are close enough together and for long enough for it to happen because they aren't being at all precautious.

I have suffered hugely financially thanks to Covid. I still think they are wrong.

This bus driver is definitely supportive. He gives me hope.

mobile.twitter.com/jonnyhodl/status/1373276933706952704

Thank you to everyone who protested today.

LunaHeather · 20/03/2021 21:42

@NoseinBook3

If the vaccine effort is for nothing and these measures remain in place for longer than needed, then I can understand them chanting that.

What’s the point in the vaccine if not to get back to normal life?

I say this as a person who has already had the first vaccine.

Ditto.
frumpety · 20/03/2021 21:47

I think the London bus driver clip is a bit ironic given that 51 of his colleagues died of covid and they are 3 times more likely to die from it than other workers.

Wildswim · 20/03/2021 21:49

Thank you to everyone who protested today.

Hear hear.

It gives me hope.

LunaHeather · 20/03/2021 21:50

@frumpety

I think the London bus driver clip is a bit ironic given that 51 of his colleagues died of covid and they are 3 times more likely to die from it than other workers.
He has perspective

He understands that on any given day, he might get an infectious disease and die from it.

I'm surprised at the attitude of fellow clinically vulnerable people. We have mostly known our risks since childhood. We never wanted our rights removed because of it.

Justanotherworkingmom · 20/03/2021 21:53

Watching the footage I strongly doubt there is a functioning brain cell in the whole crowd.

Remmy123 · 20/03/2021 21:57

I don't blame them - I'm sick of hearing 'why can't they just stay home' 🙄

Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:04

@GetOffYourHighHorse

Any excuse to be out in crowds. Wtf is wrong with these people, as if anyone wants to be in this situation but fingers crossed by apr 12th we'll be on to the next opening up stage.
I think there’s a lot right with these people and if I’d lived nearer I’d have been right amongst it

It’s just ridiculous that we are locked into this position when numbers are so low
Wtf is wrong with people who keep wanting this shit show to continue
What happened to the three weeks bollox to protect the nhs...a bloomin year ago.

People need to get out more.
The woods, parks, beaches are teeming with people who’ve just had enough of this nonsense now

Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:07

@Wildswim

Thank you to everyone who protested today.

Hear hear.

It gives me hope.

Me too And I bet for every pair of feet on the streets , I bet there was another 10 at home cheering them on I know I was Worldwide, I’d love to know how many countries and how many people took part
Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:10

Do you all know about the
A Stand in the park movement
For if you can’t get to a big rally
Sunday’s at 10

Crumpsly · 20/03/2021 22:10

Barnard castle.

If you can reasonably travel across the country with covid, why can’t you protest to protect your human rights?

rosetylersbiggun · 20/03/2021 22:10

It's very distressing that the thread about women wanting to attend a peaceful vigil, the prevailing attitude was "stupid silly wimmin, serve them right to be manhandled by police, how dare they not do what men tell them, arrest the lot of 'em!" But a thread about anti-masker covid deniers, the prevailing attitude is, "good for them hooray!"

It's the same as last year. The BLM threads were full of "ugh Covid-speading thugs" but the Neo-Nazi rally was full of "But free speech!!!"

Yes the images of women being arrested last week did initially seem disturbing until you read the reports that what should have been a peaceful vigil had been infiltrated by activists and arseholes chanting all cops are bastards etc.

I was at the vigil.

Only a tiny minority attended the vigil with the intention of disrupting it and police mostly ignored them and refused to arrest them, in favour of targeting physically small and/or disabled women some of whom were not involved in protesting or who were sitting quietly out of the way. The crowd started chanting anti-police statements because of witnessing the police's outrageous and aggressive behaviour, those chants didn't just come out of nowhere!! Plenty of the women who joined in the chanting were locals with no links to any protest groups who had simply come to pay their respects but were outraged and witnessing such police aggression towards a peaceful vigil. And while it's not accurate to say police beat anyone up, they certainly used excessive force towards peaceful protestors and towards innocent bystanders.

Loopyloututu2 · 20/03/2021 22:13

I’m so glad people are protesting - where do I find out how to join one?

BigFatLiar · 20/03/2021 22:17

@reformedcharacters

People have been arrested it’s just not being reported. There’s numerous videos on Twitter.

BBC are incorrectly reporting hundreds when there are thousands.

It was on the ITV news this afternoon (about 4ish) so was being reported unless you discount ITV. Also the BLM demo.
Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:17

Right with you @msbehavin

Bouledeneige · 20/03/2021 22:19

I think its a very tough call. Of course we all hate lockdown, the impact on the economy and jobs, on people's mental health and their relationships, isolation and loneliness. And our liberties and freedom. and I think one group who have been treated worse than any other are students - who are having the police coming into their homes and restricting them and threatening them.

But the pandemic has reinforced social and health inequalities and killed those that are already the worst off. its not just the old and those with underlying conditions who have died, its not just just frontline workers like nurses, doctors and ambulance men, its bus drivers and supermarket workers and ethnic minorities and the poorest in society. And many more are still suffering with long covid. And with all conscience, not being in any of those groups, I don't think I could happily nominate them to die or get severely ill whilst myself and my children live in relative safety.

So in the end, I hate the loss of freedom but I hate more the impact on people worse off than me.

I'd not be marching for my freedom. I'd try to be acting in the best interests of our society. And I say that as someone who wanted to show my displeasure about male violence last week. And I still do.

We do also need to understand the political philosophy of this government. Sure like any Tory government they don't like the voices of dissent. But the very reason Boris Johnson was so slow to order lockdown - which he has been heavily criticised for - is because he's a libertarian, he believes in a free market and limited state interference. Its a finely poised argument and decision making - and mobs don't express subtleties. What freedom do we want? To express our dissent? Sure. To expose others, even our friends and family, to a public health crisis and death? No thanks.

This all happened in 1918 with the Spanish flu. There was huge suffering and protests too. Less government protection and government funded safety nets. A terrible cost. and time will tell what worked, what was proportionate, what we would do again. And we will need to learn from this.

What we are going through now isn't anymore a deprivation of liberty than any other European country. Many have been much more restrictive than the Uk. Maybe those that closed all borders - like New Zealand and Australia - and Sweden who have paid the price with death rates have been more relaxed. Apparently. But its one freedom versus another.

And I think there is a huge risk of complacency in the UK. Our infection rates have now plummeted and we are ahead of most countries (except Israel with a much smaller population) with our vaccination programme. We might now feel safer and freer. But Italy, France and Germany are now going through a further peak in infection rates. We may not be immune from its impact. Time now for cautious optimism and a roadmap towards more freedom. Cautious not reckless and aware. False steps could cost.

Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:19

@Loopyloututu2
Look at fb
A stand in the park
They do local ones
People can start their own if they have no stands nearby
The documented one at Hastings last week was a stand in the park

Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:26

Exercise Cygnus in 2016 highlighted how poorly prepared we were for a pandemic

Well, they were correct.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/what-was-exercise-cygnus-and-what-did-it-find

Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:30

@feellikeanalien

msbehavin Excellent post. Sums up exactly what I wanted to say. I read a very worrying article this morning about the amount of legislation the government has passed during the pandemic without any parliamentary scrutiny. It was most concerning, particularly when you think of the calibre of the Cabinet in our current government.
Lord sumption has said exactly the same The £10,000 fines All totally wrong www.legalcheek.com/2020/10/lord-sumption-warns-of-totalitarian-society-in-latest-attack-on-lockdown-policies/
Dowser · 20/03/2021 22:40

@msbehavin
Thank you for putting yourself out there and protesting
I’ve used the term covidiot right from day 1 for those who have slavishly accepted stupid rules
Where I live theres easily 6-8 miles of gloriously Sandy coastline
Our covidiot council in its sheer stupidity, taped off the beaches
Forcing everyone onto the prom.
I mean
What kind of brain cell thinks up a plan like that.

Then asked people from surrounding areas to stay away.
Ah ok, nice one.
Only the elite who live here get to enjoy some fresh sea air.
Totally wrong.
I put many posts on our local town pages, saying it was all wrong and to think of the traders who needed to keep their business going.
Eventually they saw sense and opened up the beaches and reluctantly the car parks, some of which are massive..and I said we must welcome people who don’t live here..
Share our bounty..ooh the nasty swines who wanted to keep it all to themselves.

I could go on but you get my drift
Covidiots..every one of them, nasty narrow minded ones at that.

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