London protest

[DogsSausages]

Another anti lockdown protest in London, the police will be criticised if they arrest anyone, they cannot win. Why can't people just stay at home, haven't enough people died.

'So selfish to protest against a lockdown that may end very soon anyway. '

Just utterly ridiculous. Sky news interviewed some of them they didn't know wtf they were actually protesting about. Was sunny though so it's a bit of dramaz on a boring Sat afternoon innit.

@Beebityboo

Sorry, take umbrage being told I'm as good as a murderer. I'm literally shielding and still don't wear a mask just walking outside. Statements like that are divisive and shitty and not based on any science whatsoever.

Honestly anyone calling people murderers for not wearing a mask outdoors should not be taken seriously at all, ignore it

@mumsneedwine

Liberty great. No mask, well you're as good as a murderer. I assume none of you work in the NHS or have lost anyone to COVID. Selfish. Irresponsible.

Bloody hell. I thought we left the murdering comments behind in 2020.

It could be argued that by wearing cheap fashion, driving a car or using plastic you are also a murderer mumsneedwine.

@Wakemeuuuup

So selfish to protest against a lockdown that may end very soon anyway. No masks, ridiculous. This might lead to lockdown being extended

Pretty sure that lockdown will be extended without people protesting.

What a surprise piers Corbin was there and was arranging it. He’s been arrested few times already for this kind of marches. Wish he was locked for a while !

Well if you have read the research @mumsneedwine you’ll know that there was zero transmission on all those packed beaches last year..There’s a HUGE difference between indoors and outdoors transmission. Everyone knows that so no it doesn’t just ‘fly up everyone’s noses’!!

Lawrence Fox there too /vom

[quote mumsneedwine]@msbehavin to put it as nicely as I can, you're talking bollocks. It wasn't just the UK so can't all be government's fault.

Covid doesn't give a shiny shit about our liberties. So wear a mask and don't be a dick.
V sure MN will delete this but I don't care. [/quote]
No, a virus doesn't give a 'shiny shit' about our civil liberties. But you should. So should everyone. Because they can disappear very easily overnight, while we're not looking, and before we know it, we're on a slippery slope back to 1939. Yet sadly history teaches us that history teaches us nothing. The great tragedy of the human race is its inability to learn from past mistakes.

And by the way, I do wear a mask. I wear one every day, while I stand in front of the 100+ different children I teach. I put myself at risk every single day of catching a virus the government doesn't care about protecting me from, because schools are somehow magically safer than every other currently closed building where people might mix with hundreds of other perfect strangers during the course of an average day.

This same government you think knows best how to look after us all? The government who you really think has your best interests at heart?

I know it's uncomfortable having to confront reality like this but all the pot banging and rainbows in the world can't cover up the fact that the NHS collapses every winter because it's been bled dry for years. If you don't believe me, go and look at the statistics. The facts don't lie.

Once again, I'm not a covid denier. I follow all the rules and I do not put anyone else at unnecessary risk (despite being forced to put myself at risk every day). Being sceptical of the government's response to this pandemic and acknowledging their tactics in bending the public to their will does not make you a 'covidiot' or a 'conspiracy theorist'. There's more than one narrative, you know.

@Delatron

Well if you have read the research *@mumsneedwine* you’ll know that there was zero transmission on all those packed beaches last year..There’s a HUGE difference between indoors and outdoors transmission. Everyone knows that so no it doesn’t just ‘fly up everyone’s noses’!!

It only flies up your nose if you are protesting something that goes against the mainstream narrative.

@CarrieBlue

If outdoor gatherings don’t add to transmission, why was Cheltenham Festival this time last year criticised? And the Liverpool match? Both were outside. I thought there was a strain of covid from the south west that was responsible for a lot of Irish infections. Is that not the case?

The problem with the Liverpool game wasn’t so much people sitting outdoors in the stands at Anfield. It was that thousands of Atletico Madrid fans travelled over from a covid hotspot to watch it and brought covid with them. Also even though the game is outdoors, at half time people congregate inside the stands buying drinks/going to the loo or whatever.

I have never been to Cheltenham but I think some of it is indoors eg the bars?

@msbehavin

You sound a bit confused.

Why so much faith in masks? All the real world evidence suggests they do sweet FA

It's not the protest outside that is an issue for transmission.
Large numbers of non mask wearers on public transport is.
We are slowly lifting lockdown.

@confuseddotcom090

Why so much faith in masks? All the real world evidence suggests they do sweet FA

So you don’t wear one?

I’m sure the 4 families that managed not to get infected thanks to my mum wearing a mask when she was (unknowingly) covid-positive would disagree with you.

Cheltenham and the Liverpool match both had packed bars and toilets. That's where an airborne virus would have transmitted.

In reply to a earlier comment I don't read the DM. I have lost my NHS healthcare job due to stress, 2 friends have died of covid, I haven't been out the house for nearly a year except to get my vaccine, I haven't seen my family for months. I just feel so frustrated seeing crowds.

Wuhan wet market was half-outdoors. And the indoor part was like a giant warehouse - completely open at either end letting the breeze blow through.

Worth remembering.

I am one of them,
I was on a protest last weekend about women safety obviously a reaction to the horrific attack /murder of Sarah Everand,
and also about the issue of Gov wanting to Control our right to Protest on issues that matter to society

Its a Threat to Demoncrarcy in our country, as once if they put a Bill to stop Any protests even when Covid 19, is eventually treated at being like a flu, once a twice a year in the future,

There is a possibility this Bill once passed its for the long term,

(Its basically a back door/under the table sly way under the guise of Lockdowns restrictions !
Its a potential hammer Blow to the Sacred idea of British /western world idea of free speech and the right to protest Peacefully on worth while issues in society that need to be Addressed !

People sometimes complain about other countries such as Russia China middle East Governments Power/Propangnda and misuse of their Power.!

Britain and America often bangs on how better Uk and USA countries are better than the countries I have mentioned on Human rights etc !

Also Britain And USA often goes into Countries starting wars under the Guises of protecting our rights ,Human abuses etc,
When the reality is quite different !
or its not as clear cut Black and white as that !
(another Agendas at play, but to make it seem palatable/as a PR thing they will say something !
such as for e g lraq lran war in the very early 90s etc...

And yet in American its race relations in its own country is often problematic and Hypocritical to say the least !

Does anyone know what they are all protesting about ? Covid restrictions or the bill going through Parliament ? or both ? or something else ?

I'm so glad people are protesting.

Did people honestly believe that there would be no backlash to a year of restrictions on people's lives, right to see friends/families, right to aocialise, right to earn money etc? Im surprised there arent more protests/riots tbh.

Uk and USA will often as a PR thing and often have hidden Agendas to go into other countries to sort things out (interfering in other countries issues and then UK and USA create even bigger issues such as lraq Iran war of early 90s etc,
(When in reality its with economic for e g resources such as oil etc !

@DogsSausages

I understand that. We all want this to be over. Yes it is frustrating to see people behaving in ways that we've been told are unsafe. But the reality is people possibly spreading a few more cases of covid around is not the only problem we are fighting right now, and it shouldn't take precedence over everything else going on in the world indefinitely.

Have you seen/heard about the invisible gorilla experiment? If not, google it. It's a video of a basketball game, during which someone dressed as a gorilla walks through the players. When people were instructed to watch the video, they were asked to count the number of passes between the players. The vast majority of people watching were so focused on counting the passes that they didn't even notice the gorilla. It was a psychological experiment designed to show how much we miss of what goes on around us.

This is exactly what's going on here. We're all so busy being distracted by coronavirus that we're not noticing what else is happening right underneath our noses.

Have you read about what the government is doing re: banning the right to protest? This is happening. Right now.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/16/bill-that-curtails-ability-to-protest-in-uk-passes-its-second-reading

According to this proposed new bill, which has already passed a second reading, the prison sentence for protesting would be longer than the prison sentence for rape.

So actually, right now, I'm more concerned about the fact that policemen have the right to manhandle, handcuff and arrest women for peacefully protesting against male violence, the fact that we're perilously close to losing our right as a nation to peacefully protest against injustice, and the fact that rape is considered a lesser crime than standing up for your rights, which should not in any civilised, democratic country, be a crime at all.

Coronavirus has caused terrible suffering to many, in many different ways. But the world has not stopped turning, and we have to keep turning with it rather than getting stuck on the altar of coronavirus. Otherwise, we face the real and frightening possibility that we won't have a world worth returning to. It makes me so deeply sad that most people care more about their next door neighbour having a friend round for a cup of tea, or the person behind them not wearing a mask in the supermarket, than the fact that their own government is taking away their civil liberties via the back door.

'Stick your fucking vaccines up yer arse' is what the bright spark 'protesters' are chanting now. Jesus 🙄.

I saw the protests earlier and wished I was part of it. Seeing all those people gave me a glimmer of hope that we aren’t all going to roll over and give up our rights without a fight. Seeing all these utterly reasonable comments on MN of all places has made my bloody week.