Outbreaks in schools

[Trustisamust]

Since schools have returned there have already been major outbreaks in both my child's secondary and the primary I work at.
The majority of school staff remain unvaccinated.
For how many other schools is this already the case?
I just don't know what to think any more.

Surely it would be better for the population as a whole to get the majority vaccinated as quickly as possible? Rather than concentrate on occupations, which could drastically slow down the rate of vaccination?
@tigger1001 It’s easy to say that If you are a) one of the lucky people who are vaccinated or b) able to stay at home but chose not to so you can wander around the supermarket instead of getting online deliveries.

If keeping essential workers (all of them) slows down the rate of vaccination, so be it. Don’t expect other people to take risks for you.

@BustopherPonsonbyJones

Surely it would be better for the population as a whole to get the majority vaccinated as quickly as possible? Rather than concentrate on occupations, which could drastically slow down the rate of vaccination? *@tigger1001* It’s easy to say that If you are a) one of the lucky people who are vaccinated or b) able to stay at home but chose not to so you can wander around the supermarket instead of getting online deliveries.

If keeping essential workers (all of them) slows down the rate of vaccination, so be it. Don’t expect other people to take risks for you.

I agree Bustopher.

@BustopherPonsonbyJones

Surely it would be better for the population as a whole to get the majority vaccinated as quickly as possible? Rather than concentrate on occupations, which could drastically slow down the rate of vaccination? *@tigger1001* It’s easy to say that If you are a) one of the lucky people who are vaccinated or b) able to stay at home but chose not to so you can wander around the supermarket instead of getting online deliveries.

If keeping essential workers (all of them) slows down the rate of vaccination, so be it. Don’t expect other people to take risks for you.

Oh Jesus!

If someone is healthy and hasn't underlying conditions then statistically covid won't hospitalise them or kill them. So yes, to me it makes far more sense to prioritise the vaccine on clinical needs to reduce hospital admissions.

I would rather be considered healthy and at lower risk of covid and wait my turn over having clinical risk factors which considerably increase my risk of hospitalisation or death.

I suppose it depends on what you see the purpose of vaccination is. Is it a) to eliminate covid? Or b) to reduce the risks of serious illness and death in the way that the flu vaccine does?

Visiting work places is very inefficient. Far more can be delivered in the same timeframe in a clinic. I agree that targeting by age is the quickest way to deliver but for the more at risk occupations and I really feel police/ prison officers/ retail should be in this group (they just don’t shout very loud), giving a time slot in a clinic could work.

@tigger1001

Do you work in a school?

[quote sherrystrull]@tigger1001

Do you work in a school?[/quote]
No. However apart from when I was furloughed for the first few weeks I have been at work, with other people. My work have been as good as they can but covid safe workplaces with multiple people is an oxymoron.

My partner has a job where physical distancing is impossible most of the time. Depending on the job he is doing on a given day, he can spend a large chunk of that time within 2 meters of someone. They work in bubbles to mitigate risk. Based on exposure, his risk is higher than mine, yet would guarantee if his industry was to ask for priority for vaccine people would be up in arms.

People working in factories, for example, often can't socially distance.

Would you be happy if they were given priority over teachers? Where is the line drawn? Or do we accept that reducing hospitalisation is the key thing here and organise the vaccination programme accordingly?

Unless you state what you do, I can’t judge. Can you be more specific?

For me, until schools are made as safe as other workplaces or other places are made as unsafe as schools, I believe teachers should be vaccinated as a priority. I don’t see many adult workplaces as unsafe as schools.

I believe that anyone working in very close proximity to multiple others without social distancing deserves to have it as soon as possible.

I also believe that anyone not working in a school is incredibly arrogant to comment about a working environment they aren't experiencing.

My school staff have been given a vaccine slot at a local GPs surgery tomorrow. 2 hours, one chance.

So, really not tricky to organise.

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

My school staff have been given a vaccine slot at a local GPs surgery tomorrow. 2 hours, one chance.

So, really not tricky to organise.

That's great!

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

My school staff have been given a vaccine slot at a local GPs surgery tomorrow. 2 hours, one chance.

So, really not tricky to organise.

Finally. Common sense. That is great news!

Not tricky if you have a good reserve list - can’t waste any precious doses.

@BustopherPonsonbyJones

Unless you state what you do, I can’t judge. Can you be more specific?

For me, until schools are made as safe as other workplaces or other places are made as unsafe as schools, I believe teachers should be vaccinated as a priority. I don’t see many adult workplaces as unsafe as schools.

And I disagree that teachers should be a priority group, based on occupation.

I gave an example in my previous post of a factory worker, many are not able to social distance. Manual jobs requiring more than one person in close contact for parts of the day.

I agree with the governments priority groups as they are just now, and am happy that they seem to be getting through each group quickly. I am hoping that this continues, vaccine supply allowing. And in a few weeks time it hopefully won't be an argument as to which occupation is worthy of getting the vaccine as most adults will have been offered it.

@sherrystrull

I believe that anyone working in very close proximity to multiple others without social distancing deserves to have it as soon as possible.

I also believe that anyone not working in a school is incredibly arrogant to comment about a working environment they aren't experiencing.

I don’t know, quite a lot of people who work in schools seem quite happy to comment and pass judgement on working environments they don’t experience.

@sherrystrull

I believe that anyone working in very close proximity to multiple others without social distancing deserves to have it as soon as possible.

I also believe that anyone not working in a school is incredibly arrogant to comment about a working environment they aren't experiencing.

Arrogant to state that clinical need should come first?

Oh ok then......

Look at the daily graphs in the news. Since schools went back the rate of infections has stopped dropping, it's now levelling and starting to slowly go up again.
Vaccinate the teachers.

@HereComesATractor

I haven't seen that and would never do it. Care to quote?

Clinical need has already come first. That's done.

Now we can do factory workers, school staff, supermarket staff and so on. They should rightly come before anyone working at home.

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

Clinical need has already come first. That's done.

Now we can do factory workers, school staff, supermarket staff and so on. They should rightly come before anyone working at home.

Not where I am it's not.

They are still working their way through the priority groups.

So book in occupations next. My point is that clinical need is sorted.

[quote sherrystrull]@HereComesATractor

I haven't seen that and would never do it. Care to quote? [/quote]
On this very thread, haven’t you read it in full?

@HedgeSparrows schools returning has coincided with other people returning to work places.

@tigger1001

Arrogant to dismiss other people's opinions and experiences at work that you don't face and have no experience of.

At no point have I said that prioritising by clinical need is wrong. I said that school staff could be done alongside priority groups now like other professions have been.

@HereComesATractor

I'm not sure what point you're making but no I haven't seen it on this thread. Hence my comment that I hadn't seen it.

[quote sherrystrull]@tigger1001

Arrogant to dismiss other people's opinions and experiences at work that you don't face and have no experience of.

At no point have I said that prioritising by clinical need is wrong. I said that school staff could be done alongside priority groups now like other professions have been. [/quote]
I've not dismissed experiences of teachers. I've said that teachers shouldn't get priority. And I still feel that way.

I've also pointed out other occupations who also work in close contact with others, some arguably more so than teachers. If we were to go down that road i suspect teachers would still be a bit down the list and the subsequent arguments on who's job is more important, which in all have happened already in other elements in the handling of the pandemic, would be ugly.

I don't understand the reluctance to get the vaccines done as quickly as possible and why people want to argue about which professions should get it as a priority rather than just getting in with it, and getting it done. It's the one thing that the government can be proud of in this whole mess. I guess wanting hospitalisations to fall as quickly as possible makes me arrogant. Oh well