One dose of AZ?

[Bluenightowl]

For my own reasons I do not want to get a second dose of AZ (there is plenty of debate on other threads about AZ and I don't want this to turn into another anti EU/pro AZ thread ).

I read previously one dose of AZ will give 12 weeks protection against covid?

Can I then get a second dose of another vaccine e.g Pfizer or start again with a different one shot vaccine?

Or as AZ gives 76% protection for up to 90 days, and a second dose will increase protection up to 84% for an unknown time period - is it necessary to get another vaccine at all?

But it isn't really voluntary, is it? If you don't want to have it you'll have some significant freedoms removed (like travel), and it's now at the discretion of individuals and companies whether you get hired, or will have access to their premises.

I know several people who neither wanted or needed it, but have been put under pressure from their employers -essentially coerced - to have it done.

Still voluntary. All freedoms come at a price.

@GreyhoundG1rl
I wonder if it comes to that, do you really believe that people who refused vaccine will simply accept that their freedoms have been removed? We know from history how segregation ends. There will be riots and innocent people will be hurt. Does any of you take that into account? Wouldn't it be better to talk to people who are hesitant and introduce alternatives to vaccine passports like proof of immunity?

HazeyJaneII

Oh ffs. I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread.

Had to have AZ, due to allergies.

Have not been worried at all until seeing the recent posts on this thread.

My mum died of a massive brain haemorrhage last year, I've avoided the pill due to a dvt scare when younger. Bollocky headfucks“

So sorry to read about your Mum, Haley.

You’ll probably go with your gut despite what anyone says.

If it helps at all World at One today reported that there have been 5 instances of clots in 11 million vaccinated with AZ in the UK, which is lower than clots in the general population (ie unvaccinated).

Hazey, sorry 😊

[quote LilaJunior]@GreyhoundG1rl
I wonder if it comes to that, do you really believe that people who refused vaccine will simply accept that their freedoms have been removed? We know from history how segregation ends. There will be riots and innocent people will be hurt. Does any of you take that into account? Wouldn't it be better to talk to people who are hesitant and introduce alternatives to vaccine passports like proof of immunity?[/quote]
Segregation! Don't be so dramatic! If care homes decide it isn't good for business nor appropriate for someone who doesn't understand how infection control works to look after their elderly then you'll just have to get a different job. If cruise ships don't want outbreaks where they're stuck in ports with staff and customers stuck in cabins, then you'll just need to accept that you are not their target market. Same with flying off to Benidorm and Mykanos, if those countries don't want people there with covid, then they really aren't obliged to have to have a detailed chat with anyone.

How do you think these riots are going to take place? Which innocent people do you think will get hurt? Why don't you understand that these restrictions are only being suggested to protect innocent elderly and vulnerable?

Jesus, Lila, I don't know where to begin with your post 🤣

@Bluenightowl Spanish news are reporting that the vaccine had nothing to do with the death of the Spanish woman

The autopsy on the teacher who died in Marbella indicates that the AstraZeneca vaccine has no relation to the cause of death
Doctors have found that the woman apparently had a predisposition to stroke
In the autopsy, the specialists have detected that the woman, 43 years old and mother of two children, would have a predisposition to suffer a cerebrovascular accident. In fact, everything seems to indicate that she would have had an aneurysm, which is the rupture of a blood vessel in the brain, which would have triggered the massive hemorrhage that caused her death.
www.diariosur.es/sucesos/autopsia-profesora-marbella-vacuna-20210318224437-nt.html

I had a message from a local person on a local website recently which was

Uncle Toby ate an apple and then was knocked over by a bus. Should we stop eating apples? Brilliant re correlation and causality - not sure if posted elsewhere.

Really - if anyone is distrustful of any of the vaccines - don't have them. But then don't complain if e.g. an airline asks you if you have had a vaccine and you haven't

I am sticking a fiver down in folding money we will not have riots over Covid Jabs. If I am wrong I am wrong - but do line up for the bet.

I have my 1st AZ one and will be going for the 2nd. I may be naive but I do sort of trust the NHS to have done their research

Well , everyone's own choice but the more people who have it the better.

theyve cleared it now op you going to have the second dose?

I know several people who neither wanted or needed it

@EllenRipley no you don’t. Everyone needs it, so that those that absolutely CAN’T have it, are protected by the rest of us. Everyone also needs it, so that the NHS can get back to concentrating on other things, like cancer/transplants etc etc

I don't think riots are likely. The British public have loved the CV19 legislation and the nanny state. They will be just as accepted as the NHS saying nurses get the sack if they don't have the vaccine. (I don't think it will come to that)

You cannot go into Nigeria without showing a yellow fever vaccination proof or at least that was the case a few years ago when I went twice for work.

@Xenia - as I recall I had to have TAB and Cholera before visiting my father in Nigeria when he was working there. ( but this was 45 odd years ago ) Now that is a jab you would not have unless you needed it. Looked like something which would tranquillise a horse. But even so - I got over it.

@Derbee

I know several people who neither wanted or needed it

@EllenRipley no you don’t. Everyone needs it, so that those that absolutely CAN’T have it, are protected by the rest of us. Everyone also needs it, so that the NHS can get back to concentrating on other things, like cancer/transplants etc etc

I don't know if your personality type is naturally authoritarian or you just don't know what you're talking about, but yes, I do.

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I don't know if your personality type is naturally authoritarian or you just don't know what you're talking about, but yes, I do.

If they're being told by their employer that they need it, that kind of means they need it 😂

I have not researched this but I’m assuming the answer would be no. Everyone will want to do that OP and also it’s not be tested to have the Oxford and then the Pfizer for the 2nd dose.

You would of thought you would of read briefly about the vaccines before you even signed up to have the vaccine if they called you with an hours notice it sounds like you were on a reserve list..

Now with the EMA’s ruling, are you going to rise above the EU petty politics and protect yourself from Covid with your second vaccine?

I don't think it helps on the thread to imply there are not side effects nor very very rare death risks from the vaccines. There are. One reason we have had such a good uptake in the UK is we don't hide things. It is just the risks are fairly low so tends on balance to be better to have it but is a totally free choice still. I haven't had it yet.

I agree some companies might start insisting but if they do and the NHS does not force 1.3m NHS staff to have it that will be an interesting difference and may be could be litigated. The NHS ever forces staff to have the flu jab although every year they are offered it. That is even though bringing flu to a ward could kill people off - even so we don't force it on 1.3m staff.

@Bluenightowl I know how you're feeling and you're not alone feeling like this. Lots of friends of mine and myself feel hesitant about the second dose. I have a lot of exposure to covid due to work and the children so I don't have the option to wait it out. If you the option of pretty much isolating and you don't mind than do it.
Possibly they'll ask us to have a booster dose so you might save yourself from having 3 doses. You're young and if you didn't have the second dose you won't die from covid statistically.
When the school threads were going on people were insisting deaths under 40 or in their 40s was laughably low. Now all of a sudden if you don't have the jab you're more likely to die from covid.
I probably will push myself to have the second when the time comes but I totally empathise with your worry as I have been worried for the last few days too.
The blood clotting not so much but all the brain haemorrhage stories from either vaccine isn't reassuring and worse that there are more brain bleed stories from AZ.
The fact that they're asking you to go into hospital after 4 days of severe headache is odd if there was no link at all. Who knows they might say there is a link and then everyone on here giving absolute assurance that there is none at all will look silly as they did when they said schools opening in September wouldn't increase infection rates. They never seem to come to apologise either.
Surely taking a vaccine where the risk of dying from a brain bleed is more likely though negligible is not as safe as isolating and not exposing yourself to covid long term and taking no vaccine. Obviously this would mean mental health issues and isolation issues but if it's worked for OP so far and she doesn't mind it might work as she hasn't caught covid so far.
@Bluenightowl please take it easy and try and put it at the back of your mind until they do more research. If you decide not to go for it find likemind people and just own your choice. Either way if you take it or don't you will be fine statistically and you don't die from either scenarios

Won't die* sorry lots of typos above

Just getting back to this thread. Thanks to everyone who replied since I last posted.

I've been slow to write again as I will in no doubt be shouted down and accused of being an anti vaxxer. For the record, I am usually pro vaccine.

I will not be taking the second vaccine of Astra Zenneca. There are undoubtedly serious negative side effects from this vaccine. I have had severe heardaches and muscle spasms in my legs. Above all, the mental stress after having the first vaccine has eliminated any peace of mind the vaccine should have brought. I absolutely wish I had never had it.
We are being told the benefits outweigh the risks. However I have no wish to be a statistic of this vaccine for the greater good. I wouldn't ask anyone to have the Astra Zenneca vaccine and I will not have another one myself.
Someone I know is in hospital with blood clotting after getting the vaccine.
Another thing I'm find terrifying is that all negative press about this vaccine is being shut down.
Published articles from scientists I have been following (who are not anti vaxxers) and who have been vocal in their criticism of Astra Zeneca - suddenly their articles are no longer available to read.

Denmark is not yet using this vaccine and are still investigating as is Finland. I await their findings with equal amounts of interest and trepidation.

Oh, honestly! What a waste of time and energy this thread was, op.

You are utterly ridiculous, OP. You are clearly not worth anyone's time as you have no common sense and seem to be solely intent on smearing the AZ vaccine and trying to discourage people from being vaccinated with your crazy statements based on fiction.

Thankfully this weekend's vaccination figures show that not many people in the UK think like you.

Good luck op and good luck to your friend.
Apart from that your body your decisions. Just hope you don’t catch COVID and put others at risk
Wish my parents had been offered the jab you have wasted

I think your update is disgraceful, op. Do what you want, we all have free will, but that hysterical nonsense... 🙄

If you’re having side effects, OP, you need to see your doctor. You might be put on a low-dose anticoagulant if you are at high risk of clotting, or there will be help available if your symptoms are psychosomatic.