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One dose of AZ?

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Bluenightowl · 17/03/2021 22:19

For my own reasons I do not want to get a second dose of AZ (there is plenty of debate on other threads about AZ and I don't want this to turn into another anti EU/pro AZ thread ).

I read previously one dose of AZ will give 12 weeks protection against covid?

Can I then get a second dose of another vaccine e.g Pfizer or start again with a different one shot vaccine?

Or as AZ gives 76% protection for up to 90 days, and a second dose will increase protection up to 84% for an unknown time period - is it necessary to get another vaccine at all?

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EasterIssland · 18/03/2021 12:02

@PandoraP

It’s not scaremongering. Norwegian doctors are now saying they have found the link. The AZ vaccine is causing these blood conditions and it’s to do with immune response after the vaccine. Yes of course it’s a tiny risk, but not nonsense no.
link to the news s I can read ? thanks!
PandoraP · 18/03/2021 12:04

@EasterIssland, I am reading it in the Norwegian press. There is a press conference at noon about it in Norway.

FourTeaFallOut · 18/03/2021 12:05

Wow, that's a hell of a scoop, have you told Reuters?

PandoraP · 18/03/2021 12:08

@FourTeaFallOut, why the sarcasm exactly? Hmm

notrub · 18/03/2021 12:16

I am reading it in the Norwegian press

Hmm - so the investigation concluded and someone leaked the results to a bunch of reporters, but NOBODY else! Allowing these reporters to go away, write stories, get them published, so you can read them, ALL BEFORE any whisper of this was heard by the rest of the world??

Seems a tad unlikely.

FourTeaFallOut · 18/03/2021 12:18

Well, Google translate tells all, just link to it Pandora.

Lumene · 18/03/2021 12:18

It’s not scaremongering. Norwegian doctors are now saying they have found the link. The AZ vaccine is causing these blood conditions and it’s to do with immune response after the vaccine. Yes of course it’s a tiny risk, but not nonsense no.

If this is true the news will be out by now so please post a link.

EasterIssland · 18/03/2021 12:21

@FourTeaFallOut

Well, Google translate tells all, just link to it Pandora.
This. I’m reading Icelandic , danish and German the last days thanks to google. So If that’s the case I want to read it in the Norwegian news so I can read it as well

Also noon was an hour ago in Norway so should have made the news by now.

notrub · 18/03/2021 12:22

Incidentally current thinking is that the people affected have a condition that is triggered by the response of the immune system to the covid spike protein - this would explain the high incidents of blood clotting among those infected by covid.

In short, if there is an effect by the AZ vaccine, it's likely to be a significantly weaker, but similar response to that caused by the virus itself - had the effected people actually been infected by covid, they'd have probably all died.

PandoraP · 18/03/2021 12:23

Sorry 1 pm Norwegian time.
A press conference in Norway now by the medical professor in hematology who treated the healthcare workers who got ill. He is just presenting his finding. He is not saying that the vaccine should be stopped as that is not his decision to make.

You can google Norwegian newspapers: dagbladet, vg, aftenposten. There is a link to the press conference too.

FourTeaFallOut · 18/03/2021 12:27

www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/yRxvRE/legemiddelverket-gransker-dansk-teori-daarlig-vaksinasjonsteknikk-kan

The Norwegian Medicines Agency is investigating Danish theory: Poor vaccination technique can cause blood clots.

I found this though.

Lumene · 18/03/2021 12:34

Ok google translate is telling me there something similar to Pandora’s points is true - I guess we will find out more shortly through UK sources.

FourTeaFallOut · 18/03/2021 12:46

www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/Lnk0Qq/rikshospitalet-gruppe-astra-zeneca-vaksine-aarsaken-til-doedelig-blodpr

Ok, a link for anyone else who's interested. Sorry Pandora.

HazeyJaneII · 18/03/2021 12:55

Oh ffs. I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread.

Had to have AZ, due to allergies.

Have not been worried at all until seeing the recent posts on this thread.

My mum died of a massive brain haemorrhage last year, I've avoided the pill due to a dvt scare when younger. Bollocky headfucks.

BasiliskStare · 18/03/2021 13:01

@HazeyJaneII

I am not a Dr. But do read this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

I have and DH has had AZ - honestly honestly I think anything I have read is no Bollocky headfucks equired,

Flowers Hazey

EasterIssland · 18/03/2021 13:09

@FourTeaFallOut

www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/Lnk0Qq/rikshospitalet-gruppe-astra-zeneca-vaksine-aarsaken-til-doedelig-blodpr

Ok, a link for anyone else who's interested. Sorry Pandora.

thanks that's what I was askiing for, a link that I could read, nothing else.
HazeyJaneII · 18/03/2021 13:12

Thanks for that @BasiliskStare I am giving my head a good wobble.

...it's daft isn't it, I'm a pretty logical and rational person, I follow the science....I was having a messenger conversation with a (very clever) friend who works in vaccines, at the same time as reading this thread (and eating lunch.. multi tasking!) about a different aspect of the vaccine rollout and why side effects hit people in different ways - but reading this thread started my heart beating so fast i had to say goodbye!

To be honest I still haven't come to terms with the massive brain haemorrhage that killed my mum, so it probably pressed too many panic buttons.

I will calm myself and get back to homeschooling ds (which will have the opposite effect to calm....but there you go.)

minchinfin · 18/03/2021 13:22

*Incidentally current thinking is that the people affected have a condition that is triggered by the response of the immune system to the covid spike protein - this would explain the high incidents of blood clotting among those infected by covid.

In short, if there is an effect by the AZ vaccine, it's likely to be a significantly weaker, but similar response to that caused by the virus itself - had the effected people actually been infected by covid, they'd have probably all died.*

THIS, THIS, A MILLION TIMES THIS

BasiliskStare · 18/03/2021 13:33

@HazeyJaneII All luck with the homeschooling - I can imagine that is hard.
Why don't you try 1/2 an hour on probability this afternoon. ( too soon ? ) Ah sorry just trying to get across that I and DH & I think a fair few others - seriously - AZ is utterly fine - & I am sorry if it comes across as too jokey . I am sorry to hear about your mum . I hope you and ds are well & very sorry for loss of mum and granny Flowers & I can only tell you DH & I are fine and if I had had the slightest inkling it would not be - well - why on earth would I do it - let alone DH - which does somewhat have to say you must trust we looked at things and decided it was OK.

but as ever , everyone's choice. I can perfectly understand losing your mother doesn't always make for completely rational thinking . Thoughts are with you Flowers

Basilisk x

EllenRipley · 18/03/2021 13:49

If the particular type of blood clot that's been seen after vaccination is causal then yes, personal risk will still likely be very low. However I'm not sure at this stage how helpful the mantra 'it's the same as the general population', given that it's a very particular kind of clot, following a very particular set of post vaccination symptoms, in a specific timeframe. Which is why protocol and due diligence is being followed. Those vaccinated are in a phase 4 real world trial & data collection phase after all.

However to say that risk of blood clots from catching covid is high is rubbish - assuming OP has no underlying health conditions, she's at very low risk of having severe disease or needing hospitalisation. Even less so with one dose.

OP I can't be advise but as others have said, it seems the risks for AZ and Pfizer are much the same, and low. If you choose not to receive a second dose at this time, your risk of dying from covid is also incredibly low, if you're otherwise healthy.

CorianderBee · 18/03/2021 16:19

Well the EU have said that AZ is safe...

AstraZeneca Covid vaccine is ‘safe and effective’ EU finally admits – as it performs major U-turn

www.thesun.co.uk/news/14378957/eu-makes-u-turn-over-astrazeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-ema-ban/

CorianderBee · 18/03/2021 16:19

So you can stop stressing Op. like we said, they were just being shady to the U.K.

Xenia · 18/03/2021 16:26

I don't understand the issues for some people. If you don't want the vaccine just don't have it. It's voluntary in the UK. If you want it and are offered it have it.

HolmeH · 18/03/2021 17:32

Shocker. The EU have yet again done an AZ uturn & royally continued to screw up their vaccination programme.

EllenRipley · 18/03/2021 19:14

@Xenia

I don't understand the issues for some people. If you don't want the vaccine just don't have it. It's voluntary in the UK. If you want it and are offered it have it.
But it isn't really voluntary, is it? If you don't want to have it you'll have some significant freedoms removed (like travel), and it's now at the discretion of individuals and companies whether you get hired, or will have access to their premises.

I know several people who neither wanted or needed it, but have been put under pressure from their employers -essentially coerced - to have it done.