EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK

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Because they've not got enough apparently (despite the fact that they've got a shit load of AZ stockpiled because they've mostly stopped using it)

This is really starting to piss me off now, and has someone who is due 2nd Pfizer jab in 8 weeks in starting to worry I won't get it!

They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

Wankers

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

@Oblomov21

Evening standard are running with this headline from 3 hours ago:

Ursula von der Leyen threatens to block AstraZeneca vaccines from leaving Europe.

U
rsula von der Leyenn has declared all out jab warfare on Britain after threatening a blockade of AstraZenecaa vacciness made in Europee.
The president of European Commission said Brussels would stop shipments of the vaccinee_ from being exported to the UK in the coming weeks if the Anglo-Swedish company did not meet its supply obligations to EU countries.
Speaking to a group of German newspapers this weekend, Ms Von der Leyen said: “We have the possibility to forbid planned exports.

So I'd thus untrue? Had UvL not said this?

At end of day they prefer moderna and pfizer in Europe az is known as the aldi vaccine
Az is not his big issue as we 1 make it ourselves 2 can get it from India 3 have solid contract.

Pfizer we madame ingredients for
Thats the one we need.
We also need modern some eu member states have actual supply moderna
We have none.

Eu blocking az won't harm uk..
Eu blocking Pfizer then moderna and j and j will.

For Eu to confiscate pfizer and moderna leaves totally separate companies to AZ in trouble.

The ever changing age group for Az in France is puzzling.
Firstly its quasi affective in elderly now its only for use with elderly.
Mad scientist at health department or part if macron plan to damage the az so sanofi can eventually catch up.

or part if macron plan to damage the az so sanofi can eventually catch up

The world needs 16 billion vaccine doses, if Sanofi is cheap and effective then it will be used when it's available.

I just posted this in the "good news" covid thread and thought I'd share it here too, as we could all use a bit of good news.

A story just broke in the Wall Street Journal that is hugely good news

Covid-19 Vaccine Manufacturing in U.S. Races Ahead - Vaccine makers are expected to produce 132 million doses this month, nearly tripling last month’s figure, boosting vaccination drive

It's behind a paywall. I'll copy and paste the full text if anyone is interested. The short of it is that Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J have been able to address the most serious bottlenecks in their production processes, found clever ways to be more efficient, and started to produce some things in-house that they previously had to source elsewhere.

Total US production of approved vaccines in February was 48 million doses and we're on track to make 132 million doses in March. This is obviously going to speed up the process of finishing the job here and geting us to the point of having surplus production for export.

I suspected this was happening as New York has doubled the number of mass vaccination sites it operates in the last few weeks and the Federal government is doubling the number of pharmacies it ships vaccines to directly.

Everyone knew that production was increasing, but almost tripling in a month is bloody amazing.

I'm fully vaccinated and DH needs one more jab, but for me, this means that the DC, who are 21 and 19, won't be waiting an age for their jabs.

@Umbivalent

Two days ago France decided that the AZ vaccine should not be given to under-55s. Are you saying Macron had nothing to do with that, @notimagain?

You misunderstand how all this works - , I'm not the one who has to say anything.

I asked for a citation to back up the claim being made that Mr Macron kept saying things to dissuade people from using the AZ product.

You haven't even managed to come up with an example of a reported speech in which he's done that recently..let alone a citation to any reliable source..you've just come up with fact free speculation as to what might have happened..

It looks like it's a case of nothing to see here, but I'm sure that won't change anything.

That's brilliant news @MissConductUS!!

We're due (in the UK) some J&J and Moderna, aren't we?

[quote notimagain]@Umbivalent

Two days ago France decided that the AZ vaccine should not be given to under-55s. Are you saying Macron had nothing to do with that, @notimagain?

You misunderstand how all this works - , I'm not the one who has to say anything.

I asked for a citation to back up the claim being made that Mr Macron kept saying things to dissuade people from using the AZ product.

You haven't even managed to come up with an example of a reported speech in which he's done that recently..let alone a citation to any reliable source..you've just come up with fact free speculation as to what might have happened..

It looks like it's a case of nothing to see here, but I'm sure that won't change anything.[/quote]
OK, this is becoming tiresome. I didn't say Macron was saying anything, @notimagain. I wrote:

Macron keeps making up totally unfounded reasons to pause/stop the AZ vaccine

Which he has been. First it was "quasi-ineffictive" for over 65s. Then he ignored the EMA to pause rollout because of a spurious bloodclot "link". Now France is not advising it for under 55s.

None of those three positions had any founding in medical fact.

Brilliant news @MsConductUS - and good for all of us in the long run.

@ScribblingPixie

Brilliant news *@MsConductUS* - and good for all of us in the long run.

I was a bit surprised when Moderna confirmed they were going to send a big shipment to the UK in April. The Biden administration had to approve that, and they obviously did so because they knew that we had so much new supply coming.

At some point, the capacity in the US to give jabs will saturate. That's when we'll see lots more exports being approved.

I think our moderna stock and eu is made Switzerland.
I thought moderna was imminent.
But we told vaccines slowing down in uk in April so not sure they are arriving April.
Eu has some stocks moderna German my only used 1/3 of thier moderna.
Eu ordered moderna before uk did

From The Telegraph

AstraZeneca accuses EU of stockpiling jabs and hits out at blockade threat

AstraZeneca has criticised the European Union’s threat to blockade vaccine supply to the UK, claiming member states are sitting on up to 12 million unused jabs.

Insiders also said an EU export ban on sending Covid-19 vaccines to the UK would not work, not least because Britain is currently manufacturing almost its entire supply.

A small number of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine batches are being supplied via India, and almost none in the EU.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/21/astrazeneca-accuses-eu-stockpiling-jabs-hits-blockade-threat/

I was a bit surprised when Moderna confirmed they were going to send a big shipment to the UK in April. The Biden administration had to approve that, and they obviously did so because they knew that we had so much new supply coming.

That sounds really promising. The more mix of vaccines we have, the better the effect (or so I've read!)

MissConductUS

That is good news

Interesting but upsetting news
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/21/eu-export-ban-would-delay-uk-covid-vaccine-drive-by-two-months

The doomsters at the guardian should be avoided at all costs. Look at the schools articles and predictions they were publishing.

I didn't think we were getting any az from europe just from uk sites and india
So how can they block that ?
Pfizer yes comes from eu but as has been said one of the raw components comes from uk so bit risky to stop that being sent as what if we went tit for tat.
They are also interfering with contracts , they are not eu owned companies but private

Also guardian article says delay to 5th august well the timeframe was end of july so i make that a week , not 3 months

@jasjas1973 so you think its ok for the eu to make threats and the uk should just sit back
As it happens our politicians haven't made any threats back all they have pointed out is that contracts are law and the world is watching , which is true.

Interesting article from Spanish journalists.
Less than 10% vaccinated in Spain
Yet they sat on 750k back stock of az.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/eu-astrazeneca-vaccine-stance-spain-europe-covid

Wonder if this is replicated ib other states that's a lot of az sit on whilst confiscating Australia's and begging for more immediately is just odd

Sky news says summit thur to discuss and agree export ban.
That bojos trying to contact different member states before hand.
Even if Belgium , Netherlands ,ireland and Poland supported uk would the other members states over rule them?
We know France/ Germany and Italy will vote on export ban.

Clearly they will confiscated pfizer or moderna as pointed out we don't rely on Europe for AZ.
I do wonder about vaccines produced Netherlands are they just sat in warehouses somewhere awaiting EMA approval.

Another article suggested we won't get Johnson and Johnson until end summer which makes me think the eu won't get theirs in April as promised.

@jasjas1973 india haven't threatened a ban there is delay in vaccines but within contracts so totally different to the products made by private companies in the eu which are contracted within a certain time. Plus of course any chats with india are in private and not announced to the world .
Of course we want everyone around the world vaccinated and europe can speed up with what they have in storage to start, we are further ahead in uk as well as we are going for longer gaps between doses to get more first doses ( a risk but hopefully one that pays off) the quicker uk keep up with their targets the better position they will be in to ship elsewhere.
Im n

Eu ordered moderna before uk did

So I hope the US sends supplies to the EU and we can all get on with our lives.

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

The doomsters at the guardian should be avoided at all costs. Look at the schools articles and predictions they were publishing.

I don't think this is doom mongering. It's reality.

The NL site was always supposed to be part of the UK supply chain. We bloody paid for the development.

AZ are going to have to breach the UK contract. The EU will get our vaccines (yes they are ours because we bought them 1st). The EU knew what was happening when they signed the contract I have no doubt. They have actively been trying to steal our doses. We can't really stop supplying Pfizer materials as that would kill thousands.

They may get some more vaccines than us, bit boy is their reputation in tatters. Appalling behaviour.

@Wakeupin2022 I didn't think we were getting any from eu at all now of az ?

@3asAbird

Interesting article from Spanish journalists. Less than 10% vaccinated in Spain Yet they sat on 750k back stock of az.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/eu-astrazeneca-vaccine-stance-spain-europe-covid

Wonder if this is replicated ib other states that's a lot of az sit on whilst confiscating Australia's and begging for more immediately is just odd

Sky news says summit thur to discuss and agree export ban.
That bojos trying to contact different member states before hand.
Even if Belgium , Netherlands ,ireland and Poland supported uk would the other members states over rule them?
We know France/ Germany and Italy will vote on export ban.

Clearly they will confiscated pfizer or moderna as pointed out we don't rely on Europe for AZ.
I do wonder about vaccines produced Netherlands are they just sat in warehouses somewhere awaiting EMA approval.

Another article suggested we won't get Johnson and Johnson until end summer which makes me think the eu won't get theirs in April as promised.

I’m Spanish. Spain was doing really well related with vaccines in sense vaccinating as soon as they were receiving them (they were using an average of 70-80% of the vaccines ) but this week they had to stop because of az. Many appointments cancelled and they’ve not restarted again as they’re deciding who to vaccinate with az now. Hence why they’ve so many stockpiled. It’s not the case of Germany that people are refusing them but more the fact that the halt has brought some delays.

We've not been getting any since January.

But there is an unapproved plant in NL. It can't supy EU yet. Its approved by us and we set it up.

So really the substance made there should be coming to UK as its part of the UK supply chain. I think filler I'm Germany is too. These were set up before EU signed contract.

So basically we've set it all up, paid for it, and they are going to take the vaccines.