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EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK

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Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 17/03/2021 13:24

Because they've not got enough apparently (despite the fact that they've got a shit load of AZ stockpiled because they've mostly stopped using it)

This is really starting to piss me off now, and has someone who is due 2nd Pfizer jab in 8 weeks in starting to worry I won't get it!

They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

Wankers

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

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StormzyinaTCup · 21/03/2021 13:19

Another ‘yes please’ from me MissConductUS

LimitIsUp · 21/03/2021 13:22

That would be great

MissConductUS · 21/03/2021 13:44

Happy to oblige. As context, the WSJ has never been a big fan of how the EU is run. As usual, they pull no punches.

Europe’s Gang That Couldn’t Shot Straight
A string of vaccine bungles on the Continent threatens health and the global economy.

By The Editorial Board
March 19, 2021 6:40 pm ET

It’s hard to think of a recent fiasco that can match the European Union’s Covid vaccine rollout. Protectionism, mercantilism, bureaucratic ineptitude, lack of political accountability, crippling safety-ism—it’s all here. The Keystone Kops in Brussels and European capitals would be funny if the consequences weren’t so serious.

But hospitalizations and deaths are rising again in Italy, Germany and France while successful vaccinations suppress illness and fatalities in the U.S., United Kingdom and Israel. To date the U.S. has administered 34 doses per 100 residents, the U.K. has jabbed 40, and Israel has 111. Most vaccines require two doses. Compare that to about 12 in France, Germany and Italy.

As the pandemic moves into its reopening phase, Europe’s mistakes will cost the rest of the world economically as the Continent struggles to exit lockdowns.
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Take the latest fumble first. Various European regulators and politicians spent this week claiming the Oxford/ AstraZeneca vaccine—the only one currently widely available in the EU—might be unsafe, only to rethink and now beg people to start accepting it.

This time the concern was that the jab caused blood clotting or problems with blood platelets in some patients. Some people who received the vaccine developed blood clots, but the European Medicines Agency (EMA) found the vaccine was not associated with an increase in the overall risk.

Among the 11 million or so vaccinated in the U.K., serious clots were less common than would be expected in the general population. People can develop clots for many reasons including other health conditions and medications. Covid-19 can also cause clots, so any risk-benefit calculation favors vaccination.

This is of a piece with a distinctly European safety-ism that has dogged the vaccine program since the start. Introduction of the AstraZeneca jab was held up even after the EMA approved it because bureaucrats in Germany claimed there was no evidence it works in patients older than 65.

Fewer elderly patients were included in the sample during the vaccine’s trial phase, but that’s as far as the truth to this claim went. It was quickly rebutted—real-world evidence available even then from the U.K. showed high efficacy in the older cohort—but not before French President Emmanuel Macron picked up the theme.

Such careless talk deterred vulnerable elderly Europeans from accepting the vaccine last month. It also skewed priority lists. Younger teachers and university professors in Italy received jabs ahead of the ill and elderly under a scheme developed when officials claimed the shot wouldn’t work for the old.

One problem is that no one seems to be fully in charge of monitoring safety and efficacy. Nominally that’s the EMA’s job, and the agency handled it with typical eurocratic aplomb. The EMA’s approval process is more bureaucratic, requiring input from all EU member states. Imagine if the FDA consulted all 50 states.

But national governments also are allowed to make their own safety rulings on an “emergency” basis. The U.K. used this option to approve the Pfizer and AstraZeneca shots quickly despite still being an EU member late last year.

Other governments used this discretion to slow-roll vaccines. EU capitals refused to follow the U.K. in granting emergency-use authorization, apparently for fear of hurting European solidarity. But some governments have been happy to impose unilateral blocks on the vaccine, as with the AstraZeneca clot kerfuffle. European regulators live by the maxim “better safe than sorry,” but in this case they’re getting the sorry with no added safe.

At least now, millions of doses are available for Europeans who do want them. This wasn’t always the case, after procurement bungles delayed deliveries and nearly sparked several trade wars. Brussels officials last year jumped at the chance to push common vaccine procurement to bolster the EU’s credibility with European voters. Buying on behalf of 500 million Europeans also was supposed to give the bloc more leverage with pharmaceutical companies.

It’s been chaos. The EU bureaucracy has little experience with procurement on this scale, and it also struggled to strike bloc-wide deals for ventilators and protective equipment. Brussels officials signed vaccine contracts months after the U.S. and U.K. did last year—and only after some European governments threatened to organize their own procurement.

Washington and London understood that crucial to mass procurement was throwing large amounts of R&D money at many companies in hopes some would work. Brussels focused on haggling down the cost per dose. Europeans pay a few dollars less per dose but ended near the back of the shipment line.

The EU response—a combination of threatened export curbs, noisy commercial disputes with pharma companies, and sour-grapes caviling about imaginary efficacy concerns—has mainly undermined Europe’s credibility on trade issues. It also risks stoking vaccine nationalism and trade restrictions elsewhere.
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Could things have been different? The Trump Administration’s Operation Warp Speed demonstrated how a large government can use its fiscal resources to fund R&D in a crisis. The U.K. and Israel have shown that small countries can leverage regulatory nimbleness to sprint ahead. But somehow the European Union—a continent-wide political bloc composed of smaller nation-states—managed to get the worst of both worlds. It’s suffering the lumbering bureaucracy of a large government and the squabbling inefficiency of a small one.

Europeans can debate at their leisure whom to blame for this and how to keep it from happening again. The rest of the world can only hope they get their vaccination act together soon.

Baileysforchristmas · 21/03/2021 13:54

Thank you

Itsalonghaul · 21/03/2021 14:01

jasjas

The EU are killing their own people with incompetence. The facts speak for themselves. Dress it up how you like. As unpalatable as it is, many will now die because the EU vaccine procurement has been a total disaster. Not many people can argue with that.

Secondly threatening another war is just about the most unhelpful thing you have ever said, but just so you know there are only two countries with nuclear capabilities and the UK is one of them.

So I am not terribly concerned about your war mongering. The very fact that you can even say those words, to us, given the history of two world wars is utterly shocking. I can see why you have connected the two, on one hand we have an out of control German dictator and on the other side the UK.
The optics are horrendous from that point of view, but please refrain from scaremongering. I can't see how it helps anyone.

This will blow over like everything else. The panic is being created by the third wave, and by all accounts it is going to be the worst by far, so instead of bickering and arguing we need to pulling out the stops to help and support each other through this. The rest is just BS.

Guinan · 21/03/2021 14:13

Why do people insist on quoting any article that's critical of the EU, no matter how nonsensical and factually wrong?

the Oxford/ AstraZeneca vaccine—the only one currently widely available in the EU— ???
There have been 16 million doses of AZ and almost 46 million doses of Pfizer distributed in the EU

Dragongirl10 · 21/03/2021 14:23

BIGWOOLYJUMPER has nailed it ...

*I just think the whole thing is terribly sad.

A UK bankrolled vaccine, developed by Oxford, manufactured by AZ, AT COST, and FREELY licensed around the world, to enable global vaccination, is being sequestered by the EU, just because it happens the manufacturing is mostly in their territory.

The EU does not own the license, the manufacturing, the corporations, it merely is the ground upon which it is being made, with component parts, and bottling from around the world. I just cannot understand how they can claim a moral high-ground. They may have exported x number of vaccines, well they haven't, AZ have, and the UK was instrumental in getting those vaccines out in the first place.

They also already have access to PB, AZ, Moderna and J&J. They currently have more in stock than they are using, some of it apparently close to going out of date. For a long time they were only getting the minimum doses out of each vial, due to wrong needles, and/or insistence on following manufacture instructions. The NHS, with it's long history of cost effectiveness, got as many as it could, at least one extra vaccine per vial, that many 1,000's extra. If it ever comes out that they have been dumping vaccine, the consequences should, at the very least, be VDL's resignation.*

Sadly many,many people will die in European countries necessarily due to this EU debacle.....withholding vaccines is criminal..

MissConductUS · 21/03/2021 14:25

@Guinan

Why do people insist on quoting any article that's critical of the EU, no matter how nonsensical and factually wrong?

the Oxford/ AstraZeneca vaccine—the only one currently widely available in the EU— ???
There have been 16 million doses of AZ and almost 46 million doses of Pfizer distributed in the EU

"Currently widely available" refers to doses in inventory available for use now, not the total delivered in the past.
Itsalonghaul · 21/03/2021 14:28

guinan Yes in theory the Pjizer vaccine is available to all, but in reality it is not due to the refrigeration it requires. Many of the poorer members simply can not store it or transport it anywhere. The logistics are impossible. That is why the AZ is so important to them, as this can stored like any other vaccine. Not every country has the infrastructure of the UK/Germany etc. Geography is also a feature. Our polish friends are furious as Poland had to throw out millions of vaccines because they ran out needles and could not get them into people before the use by date. Pjizer is also not trusted by everyone, it is brand new and totally untested (unlike AZ) and this is disquiet in some parts that DNA related vaccines are not ready for mass roll out. There are many layers to this problem.

TheHoneyBadger · 21/03/2021 14:31

Washington and London understood that crucial to mass procurement was throwing large amounts of R&D money at many companies in hopes some would work. Brussels focused on haggling down the cost per dose. Europeans pay a few dollars less per dose but ended near the back of the shipment line

And there it is. People seem to want to avoid facing that it is that simple. They genuinely thought being big and powerful would be enough to get what you want from throwing your weight around demanding a good deal rather than bending over backwards to give vaccine developers whatever resources they needed to try for effective vaccines.

Didn't the EMA all go off on holiday for 3 weeks over Christmas also?

LexMitior · 21/03/2021 14:37

This is all just to cover the total incompetence of VdL. Her sabre rattling and joined by those who also have made mistakes.

It’s telling that not all EU members are following the Commission lead. The relative egoism of throwing around powers each week to see if they get an angle on vaccine manufacturers is ridiculous. The EU didn’t have great expertise in vaccines and manufacturing before, the UK did.

It just shows how much inventive Britain has to not build links with the EU. The old saying is that you have to join because it’s too difficult to be outside it. Well we are outside, and this whole mess shows that the UK can use its skills and people to look after us. We always had this ability. When doing my job now the operation of the EU is critical - ie we are actively looking at ways to cut links and deal with other countries. It’s just happening far faster because of COVID.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/03/2021 14:40

There seems to be some great confusion from the EU understanding that just because something (ie the vaccine) is produced on the continent by a private company does mean it is 'state owned' and can be seized at will, regardless of the size of the covid outbreak. Global trade simply does not work like that

I wouldn't have said "confusion" exactly. Even the EU aren't that stupid, and it's more likely that they know precisely what they can't do but will threaten to do it anyway, because that allows more political posturing and deflection of blame

As I said yesterday, if anyone had suggested pre-Brexit that the EU would try to block lifesaving vaccines, the name calling would have been extensive ... I wonder where all those name-callers are now?

Itsalonghaul · 21/03/2021 14:45

The UK managed a record breaking 870,000 vaccines today that is almost a million vaccines in a single day. I actually so wish the EU could have done the same, we could have celebrated together on the beaches this summer with life going back to normal. They could have avoided the worst of the third wave, and the suffering and financial hardship it will bring. So much of this was avoidable.

I take no pleasure whatsoever in seeing the Europe I have always loved going through this torment. We can only hope that they will throw everything at it now, with 247 huge vaccine centres and get this done. They simply can not afford another delay or U turn. Every leader should stop looking elsewhere and get on with the job in hand before it is too late.

3asAbird · 21/03/2021 14:53

Wasn't part of EU issues with phizer as they come in standard pack 5vials but EU ordered insisted 6 but needed special small needles to extract 6th dose

I'm first to admit the UK has on some ways a poor government, crap ministers and at time a crap leader.
We have made endless mistakes.
There's a lot to be angry about.

But our thanks have to go to

Oxford uni. British scientists.
Az wanting to work with Oxford on not for profit.
The one advantage we seem to have logistically is we have a state run health service.
Also so many volunteers to help some ex healthcare background with vaccination and in hospital.
Really did feel in 2020 at least UK pulled together making ppe because Europe blocked ours.
Making ventilators

As a nation less vaccine hestinancy here.

Massive thanks to our vaccine task force.
I vaguely remember at time kate bingham got tarnished with nepotism brush job and contacts for mates which has happened during this pandemic.
Sir kier and labour party were very critical at time and said we should have gone with eu schemes.

Turns out kates expertise one which I don't think she's paid for was right for the job.
She a scientific and pharmaceutical background so she understood how pharmaceutical worked and complexity of it.
Shocks me udvl has some sort medical / science degree yet cant work out complexities of producing vaccines at speed .
Shes explained lots interveiw they offered vaccine producers all the help they could ie money , expertise and trials.
Seems we bet on the right horse sanofi and curevac dident do so well.

Its unfortunate covid happened same time as brexit.
I dident mind may to be honest she seemed safe and stable but her politeness and diplomacy the eu just kept offering a shit deal.
I still think deal we have is shit and macron was massive issue with negotiations.
Clearly they want to make example of us the can't give other countries excuse to leave.
Boris for all his weaknesses has played hard ball with them they deeply dislike him so do a lot of the ukSmile.
But he seems charm some people and has air of diplomacy udvl lacks.
I honestly think as long as we get enough vaccines hes not too bothered about Europe.
The deal I guess could fall apart they threatening take uk to Court .

Many in EU are indifferent to UK and don't care.
But some if the leaders seem fixated on the uk.
The EU claim we will fail economically its cost some country's a lot.
If we manage to do trade deals or build massive science / pharmaceutical industry in UK that means we won't fail.
If EU carrys on they may decimate thier pharmaceutical industry as no country outside EU will trust them.
Due to covid and lockdowns everyone economies have been damaged and who bounces back quicker will be key when covid is over.

The worse the infections and the delay in any more vaccines means I anticipate some lashing out in April.

The fact UDVL was appointed by Merkel doesn't seem very democratic if member states cannot chose the president of the EU.

NewYearNewTwatName · 21/03/2021 15:21

Not sure if it really relevant to the thread anymore? but a another interesting read and how the UK supports the 8 pharmaceuticals creating new vaccines.

and think I missed it before, but Curevax signed at end of January to start manufacturing in the UK too.

www.ft.com/content/662ab296-2aef-4179-907c-5dba5c355d86

EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK
Bookriddle · 21/03/2021 15:33

Sorry had to laugh at the person who said "do you want another European war"

We are 1 of 2 European countries with nuclear capabilities, we could wipe Europe out several times over!

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 15:41

Can we just bury the war rhetoric? It was ridiculous to start with and isn't getting any better.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/03/2021 15:44

Interesting reading the curevac piece,.the 'if needed' part. Shows again how much the UK signed up for.and how much we will have to pass on.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/03/2021 15:45

Clearly they want to make example of us the can't give other countries excuse to leave

Personally I'm convinced "dissuading other countries" has been behind a lot of this from the start. For whatever reason, Germany's superstate project matters so much to them that they can't seem to countenance the idea it might fail

However while the net beneficiaries will probably hold on for the sake of the subsidies, I believe it will fail as they lose more donor counties - though whether this current mess proves the catalyst remains to be seen

3asAbird · 21/03/2021 15:52

[quote NewYearNewTwatName]Not sure if it really relevant to the thread anymore? but a another interesting read and how the UK supports the 8 pharmaceuticals creating new vaccines.

and think I missed it before, but Curevax signed at end of January to start manufacturing in the UK too.

www.ft.com/content/662ab296-2aef-4179-907c-5dba5c355d86[/quote]
That is interesting as thought I read another article that said Germany gave cure vac 70million euros to support development of vaccine so the fact they would make here.
I thought it was norovax and valneva starting production within UK end of 2021.
Eu do have deal with cure vac but thought they still in trials and not online any time soon.
Johnson and Johnson by janson seems be next one
UK hasent and any moderna yet EU have but they ordered before UK with that one think uk made 7million orders initially with moderna and possibly added another 10 million so 17million moderna .

Does anyone know time scales for completing orders as they keep talking about quarters is it a whole year 12months?

FourTeaFallOut · 21/03/2021 15:58

A quarter, it's three months and standardised so everyone knows what they are talking about. Q1 was 1st Jan - 31st March, Q2 1st april-30th June. Q 3 till 30th sept and Q4 takes you to the end of the year.

NewYearNewTwatName · 21/03/2021 16:10

3asAbird

yes from the article it refers to curevax as being the latest to join, the article was dated 10 feb, and say they signed last week so beginning of feb or late jan this year.

wonder if it had anything to do with the EU throwing its toys out the pram and trying to trigger article 16?

(although I know contracts take a long to agree on, maybe they already had that they turned down last year?)

by the way is the link behind a paywall? it wasn't when I linked it but seems to be for me now.

In the link there was a flow chart of were the vaccines are re stages.

Oblomov21 · 21/03/2021 17:11

Evening standard are running with this headline from 3 hours ago:

Ursula von der Leyen threatens to block AstraZeneca vaccines from leaving Europe.

U
rsula von der Leyenn has declared all out jab warfare on Britain after threatening a blockade of AstraZenecaa vacciness made in Europee.
The president of European Commission said Brussels would stop shipments of the vaccinee_ from being exported to the UK in the coming weeks if the Anglo-Swedish company did not meet its supply obligations to EU countries.
Speaking to a group of German newspapers this weekend, Ms Von der Leyen said: “We have the possibility to forbid planned exports.

So I'd thus untrue? Had UvL not said this?

EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK
Umbivalent · 21/03/2021 18:55

He's been below the radar for several days now apart from commenting on the Paris and regional confinement, so I'd appreciate a citation for several recent examples of him "keeping" saying please

Two days ago France decided that the AZ vaccine should not be given to under-55s. Are you saying Macron had nothing to do with that, @notimagain? Somebody, definitely not Macron, decided a massive new medical rule for the populace?

If so, Macron's in more trouble than I realised!

Umbivalent · 21/03/2021 19:27

I don't think the EU is used to having so many "Are we the baddies?" moments.

They're used to lecturing the world on how to behave, and strong-arming the UK. Now the world is watching the EU, and their vaccine fiasco is, as the WSJ says (thanks for the article @MissConductUS!) going to have effects on the world's Covid recovery and economy.

I honestly thought the day they invoked Article 16 without even mentioning it to Ireland, or NI, or following the process they helped to draft was as low and bonkers as the EU/UVdL could get. But no! Each week brings more head shaking nonsense.