EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK

[Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady]

Because they've not got enough apparently (despite the fact that they've got a shit load of AZ stockpiled because they've mostly stopped using it)

This is really starting to piss me off now, and has someone who is due 2nd Pfizer jab in 8 weeks in starting to worry I won't get it!

They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

Wankers

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

The sooner we get that VMIC Centre up and running in Oxfordshire the better.

Lockheart what about export authorisation?

From the EU - or do you think we get zero Pfizer from EU?

So, how much AZ vaccine has the UK exported?
How much has the US?

Why has only the EU allowed vaccines to be exported from factories within its borders? And why it is the only bloc getting shit about it, stirred up mainly by the British press. The "ban" is a control so that if, for example, AZ are exporting to the UK from EU factories while not respecting its contact with the EU, the export is stopped. This does not cover developing countries.

I deplore vaccine nationalism but please, spare us the indignation when the UK contract with AZ seems to be a de facto ban on exporting vaccines.

From the NY Times: www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/world/europe/eu-exports-covid-vaccine.html

^Of the 34 million vaccine doses made in E.U.-based facilities that were exported between Feb. 1 and March 9, more than nine million doses went to Britain, according to the internal documents.

The second-largest recipient of E.U.-made vaccines was Canada, which received nearly four million doses last month, while the third-largest was Mexico, receiving 3.1 million vaccine doses.

The E.U. also shipped 954,000 vaccines to the United States since the start of February.^

I'm sure the uk can get vaccines that do not need to pass through the EU.

I voted Remain. I was never a strong Remainer, but I would say that now I probably would want to wait and see how it all pans out over the next decade before judging whether re-joining would be a good idea.

My guess is that a lot of people will have been put off the EU by the shenanigans of the last few months.

It doesn't have to happen though, does it? The talk of potential cutting off supply, or vaccines being quasi effective. That's what is dangerous and damaging for the world with the Astra Zeneca being the cheapest and easiest to store vaccine.

The cynic in me also wonders why they want to disparage the cheaper vaccine in favour of a much more expensive one - business interests? Can't really think why they wouldn't be jumping for joy about the price of AZ otherwise for poorer countries etc.

Put enough scepticism over AZ out in the world that people start to refuse the cheaper option?

@lljkk

EU exported 34 million COVID-19 vaccine doses by 14 January.

India has exported 58 million (I think I understand what crore are) by 17 March.

So how many vaccine doses have UK or USA exported? Must be 10s of millions each, right?

I don't know about the US, but the UK hasn't published any data yet that I'm aware of. We do know that the UK govt directed AZ doses to the UK population in priority but I haven't seen any hard numbers of how many (if any) the UK have exported.

From the WaPo

"The [EU] had approved the export of more than 34 million coronavirus vaccine doses since late January. Britain was the biggest recipient of those exports, with more than 9 million doses, followed by Canada, which got nearly 4 million, and Mexico, which received more than 3 million. The bloc approved the export of more than 950,000 doses to the United States."

come on somebody, find the statistics of how many covid vaccines has UK exported. I'm having a strangely difficult time finding those numbers. They must be huge, right?

@MarshaBradyo

Lockheart what about export authorisation?

From the EU - or do you think we get zero Pfizer from EU?

We've had over 9m Pfizer doses from the EU.

That doesn't alter the fact that the EU is not the only Pfizer manufacturer in the world.

@lljkk

From the WaPo

"The [EU] had approved the export of more than 34 million coronavirus vaccine doses since late January. Britain was the biggest recipient of those exports, with more than 9 million doses, followed by Canada, which got nearly 4 million, and Mexico, which received more than 3 million. The bloc approved the export of more than 950,000 doses to the United States."

come on somebody, find the statistics of how many covid vaccines has UK exported. I'm having a strangely difficult time finding those numbers. They must be huge, right?

As far as I can tell there has been no data published re UK exports of vaccines.

@notrub

Still find it amazing how easily simpletons can be made to jump to a newspaper editor's tune.

Do you discount the quotes? Or are you questioning context. What do you think she meant?

So where else do we get it from? Is any coming directly from the USA?

Lockheart no and I haven’t said it does.

But export authorisation of the number we do get can be stopped. Or do you disagree?

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-astrazeneca-macron-quasi-ineffective-older-pe/

not headlines, it's what Marcon says - the President and France has a lot of history with countries in Africa that will also be listening to his posturing on "we don't trust the vaccine"/"we want the vaccine, NOW"/ and all the other rubbish he comes out with on vaccines.

There is know to be historical vaccine hesitancy in African countries - Macron is playing a dangerous game - if you want a world where we're all in lockdown for ever - Macron's your man.

Does it matter how many each country has exported? The country themselves did not make the vaccine a company with contracts to honour to whoever made them in a factory there. The country does not own the vaccine the company does.

All this does is show that companies with factories exporting from the EU are not safe to order from because the EU will decide to just take and keep what they want regardless of if it belongs to them or someone else.

I was under impression that all the Irish vaccine doses were UK exports.

"As of March 13th, a total of 451,589 people in the Republic of Ireland had received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine, while 164,345 had received their second dose."

Gee, so the UK has been very generous! A good 0.6 million there.

...Oh no, sorry, got that wrong. Seems like the Irish doses are coming straight from EU. UK not exporting after all.

And also how would you ensure getting extra supplies from India or US - is it easy to do this if other countries are waiting

Indian is a major supplier. They must be rubbing their hands with happiness. Lots more markets for them to export to if EU continue down this route. Although they'll have no vaccine as no where will export the raw materials to them. Stupid stupid stupid politicians. Grow up ! If someone is doing something well ask them for advice. This is not a game.

How dare you say something bad against the EU. How dare you imply they are bullies or being mean.

This is mumsnet for goodness sake, nothing that shines the U.K. in any good light from the EU is allowed on here.

You should know better, I’m sure there will be LOTS of mumnetters on in a minute too call you names and take offence.

I've got my 2nd Pfizer on 19th April and I'm getting increasingly worried it won't happen!

What happened to the trials of mixed vaccinations - are they a long way off?

@FourTeaFallOut they are going on now. Started last month.

Lord help the UK vaccine supply if the plan is to assume no USA nationalism. Have you seen their vaccine roll out plan? It is scary ambitious. They only have about 230 million people who still need at least 2 doses, and they want them all to have access to those doses by 1 May.

"The President committed to directing all states to open Covid-19 vaccinations to all adults by May 1."

trouble is once someone instils all this doubt into the debate (Macron etc) it's hard to unpick, hence the MMR took years for people to accept.

It is dangerous games. I'm sure we will all get our second doses in due course and this is just more mind games by Macron etc.

However, the language and messaging is dangerous and stupid and most likely for the UK audience. Macron's just had his vaccine to encourage others, hmmm maybe don't keep putting hesitancy confirming comments out.