EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK

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Because they've not got enough apparently (despite the fact that they've got a shit load of AZ stockpiled because they've mostly stopped using it)

This is really starting to piss me off now, and has someone who is due 2nd Pfizer jab in 8 weeks in starting to worry I won't get it!

They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

Wankers

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

May be helpful 🤷‍♀️

@MrsFezziwig aren't they already using it ? If so they already have supplies earlier which is fair enough

Why would the Eu get our moderna id moderna is not being produced in the Eu ?

Also if talking about financial investment into the vaccines

@EasterIssland

Why would the Eu get our moderna id moderna is not being produced in the Eu ?

Its bottled in Spain I think and in January they said they support the export ban.

I think its inevitable they will block all exports of az to uk and other countries.
Don't know if they would block pfizer.
They may block moderna as that was due to arrive April.

why did uk offshore production in the first place? seems daft and really don’t they only have themselves to blame? they must have known things would not be plain sailing post-brexit

Thanks about the remainder about Spain but again if I was the Eu I’d be careful ... someone was saying that the gps that go with the Pfizer vaccines are produced in the uk .... again we are better as friends than as enemies

To block a vaccine from an American owned company would brave

AZ is a different matter but even then would cause massive waves

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

To block a vaccine from an American owned company would brave

AZ is a different matter but even then would cause massive waves

Specially when pfizer is doing ok with the Eu and sending them what has been promised

Things are really bad in Europe right now. I think they need the vaccines more than we do. If we allow the virus to run rampant through Europe it will mutate and the mutations will get here in due course. If you can’t see the need for Europe to have the vaccines out of human decency and fairness, putting aside all the bad behaviour from politicians for which the people who are dying should not be held responsible, surely you can see that it’s in all our interests to halt exponential spread?

According to link above looks like we were ahead on contracts for all of them.

Baffled if valneva is French why EU not placed orders.

I know Biden not our greatest fan but I think he would get involved if they start seizing vaccines from American firms.
They had exploratory talks with valneva and norovax in December.
Its now nearly April.
Has the EMA not approved janson yet?

@HeddaGarbled

Things are really bad in Europe right now. I think they need the vaccines more than we do. If we allow the virus to run rampant through Europe it will mutate and the mutations will get here in due course. If you can’t see the need for Europe to have the vaccines out of human decency and fairness, putting aside all the bad behaviour from politicians for which the people who are dying should not be held responsible, surely you can see that it’s in all our interests to halt exponential spread?

But the actions they may take will delay our vaccine programme by 2 months and speed their's up by 1 week.

I am all for helping them out and I think that would have been the better way to manage this, but I think the lack of accountability and the quite frankly deranged behaviour from VDL means that it may be too late for that. She is a bully.

@HeddaGarbled

Things are really bad in Europe right now. I think they need the vaccines more than we do. If we allow the virus to run rampant through Europe it will mutate and the mutations will get here in due course. If you can’t see the need for Europe to have the vaccines out of human decency and fairness, putting aside all the bad behaviour from politicians for which the people who are dying should not be held responsible, surely you can see that it’s in all our interests to halt exponential spread?

Absolutely but we will have more hospitalisations here without getting two doses in the priority list people. Yes we are doing well but second the list isn't finished and second doses barely started

The amount we need compared to the EU is very small. Taking ours would only make a few days or a weeks difference to them

What they are doing is a big show to shift the blame. The EU leaders are politically in big trouble and have stuff up.

@HeddaGarbled

Things are really bad in Europe right now. I think they need the vaccines more than we do. If we allow the virus to run rampant through Europe it will mutate and the mutations will get here in due course. If you can’t see the need for Europe to have the vaccines out of human decency and fairness, putting aside all the bad behaviour from politicians for which the people who are dying should not be held responsible, surely you can see that it’s in all our interests to halt exponential spread?

Uk has tried helping few times Ireland (it’s uks best interest for Ireland to be as safe as possible) and Eu/Ireland have rejected it. Germany has got 75% of their AstraZeneca jabs unused. Same France. Why should my Dh who is 43 give up his jab for my parents who live in Spain when the EU is not using their jabs and could send them to other countries ? If the uk sends AstraZeneca is to be used , not to be left in a cupboard because people aren’t taking it because of the bad press rhe EU has given to the vaccine

@HeddaGarbled tbf we have a high death rate and things are only getting better due to vaccine rollout and the fact we are still in a strict lockdown
Some European countries aren't as bad as others so you could also argue eu supplies should go as priority to the countries in more need
And if that article is to be believed then its not going to help them enough as I don't think in the grand scheme of things we have that many coming from the eu
The biggest issue I can see is that we have enough doses for 2nd dose of pfizer alreafy here or if we need them still.
However you look at it , its not been handled well and there must of been better ways

The fact is the UK are vaccinating 50 year olds while right now, in my town in Italy, we are still on the over 80s. Across the board, giving it to Europeans will save more lives, because the unvaccinated people here are more at risk because they are older. It's a bit hard to wave bye bye to a life saving vaccine you just made, especially when you remember not a single dose has shipped out of the UK to Europe, no matter how you spin it.

(The EU) have actively been trying to steal our doses. We can't really stop supplying Pfizer materials as that would kill thousands

And the EU stealing doses won't ...?

Nobody with sense wants to kill thousands - though Germany has an unfortunate history of murdering rather more than that - but then I wouldn't credit the EU with much sense

And again, where are all the posters who insisted the EU were "the adults in the room"?

@Plumedenom but you forget the reason we are doing that is because we have the big gap between doses , the eu doesn't do that
If the uk was the same we would have a lot less people having a jab and would be no where near the 50's
My nan is 87 she has had one dose , 2nd due in may . Its likely eu countries will have both doses before
Plus are you telling me italy doesn't have enough doses for 80's , how did Italy determine who get jabs first?
In the uk over 80's were in the first group

All the details about moderna made in Switzerland but bottled near Madrid

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-moderna-logistics-idUSKBN29B2H9

Express still says moderna due to arrive uk April

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1412222/When-will-Moderna-vaccine-be-available-UK-vaccine-shortage-EVG

This article early feb says Spain don't plan to block exports.
Hopefully thats still the case.

www.politico.eu/article/eu-holds-fire-coronavirus-vaccine-export-blocks/

@Plumedenom plus without being funny you didn't make it a private company did .
And the components are made in various countries and without working together none would be produced

And the EU stealing doses won't ...?

Yes it will. But we are better than that!

We are in the right here. There is only 1 side who looks bad internationally and its not us. But we would cost lives throughout the world of we stopped Pfizer.

@Wakeupin2022 yes I agree no point retaliating with this , better to take the moral high ground
I notice in all fairness out goverment has been fairly quiet on it all really just letting it play out and then go from there.
Here's hoping some of the other jabs are proved to work soon and are approved so there are more to go around

Exactly. Supply chains span countries, that also applies to the UK. We all screw each other over.
I am not saying Europe hasn't fucked up. But what I am saying is this - from a purely ethical perspective, we should want to vaccinate a French or Italian man of 75 over an English man of 35, because the European man is much more likely to die without the vaccine. That's just a fact. Now the British press are spinning the "one week versus two months" angle, but if they actually said "Britain would see 500 excess deaths and Europe would see 5000 excess deaths with this batch of vaccine", for example.... Your reaction may be different?

Little sympathy with the EU position & the whole debacle shows the benefits of being autonomous outside of that bloated talking shop.

UK threw more money at vaccine development & also ordered first. Therefore, it’s correct that we are supplied first & vaccinated first. Especially so, given our death toll.

@Plumedenom why not used the vaccine that is in the cupboard in Germany which people keep refusing to have because it’s az for that 85yo Italian man? If the Eu didn’t have so many az in the cupboard because people don’t want it and were actually using them all then I’d agree with you. But there are many unused vaccines in the Eu at the moment. So they should be used.
This is from a couple of weeks ago. Without last weeks news .... I bet even more people are rejecting it
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/world-news/germans-are-refusing-the-oxford-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-221839/amp/