EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK

[Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady]

Because they've not got enough apparently (despite the fact that they've got a shit load of AZ stockpiled because they've mostly stopped using it)

This is really starting to piss me off now, and has someone who is due 2nd Pfizer jab in 8 weeks in starting to worry I won't get it!

They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

Wankers

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

@Umbivalent Right....but I'm obviously referring the Pfizer vaccine not Oxford? Since UK decided to go against Pfizer guidelines, were you not aware?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/17/europe-at-the-start-of-a-third-wave-of-covid-experts-warn

Urgh people using corporate speak to slap each other down on this thread is utterly depressing.

It’s not up to the U.K. or EU what vaccines get shipped where! It’s upto the companies making the vaccines to where they send it, based on what ever contracts they have!

Untill the U.K. Health or who ever take delivery it’s not the UKS to do anything with. Untill the EU takes delivery where ever they want theirs shipping to it’s not theirs. It belongs to the company until it his their customer.

Apparently the EU have trouble understanding that. This is NOT a EU vs U.K. issue.

It a EU vs vaccine manufacturer issue. Withholding what they don’t own is not ok be that meant for the U.K. for Canada or Australia.

The EU is playing politics by always singling the U.K. as why they have an issue.

Also quite funny how the Eu hated how the U.K. always blamed them for all their issues. Yet now it’s them blaming us for all their covid problems.

Blame the manufacturer or the person who signed such a floppy contract.

Ok. Enough from you

Well that's me told
just because I wouldn't do your leg work.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9368257/UK-start-rationing-doses-Pfizers-Covid-vaccine-weeks.html

Maybe some clues into delays.
Some moderna due 2 weeks made in Switzerland but thought bottled in Spain.
I do hope eu won't withhold our European orders as blackmail for us to reciprocate and give them more az.

They don’t seem to want AZ though

@shivawn

The UK's decision to go against manufacturer guidelines and leave a 3 month gap between doses will make this a major issue for them.

I doubt Pfizer will care at all. 21 days between doses is what they tested. It's not a legal requirement. If the buyer wants to try a different interval between doses that's on them. The longer interval may actually confer better immunity.

Fact check: The EU has given far more than the UK - the contribution of Germany alone is already higher.

www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/covid/covax/COVAX-AMC-Donors-Table.pdf

Does that chart show the amount given per capita @Guinan, or total amount - I couldn’t really tell because of all the abbreviations?

I don’t understand why everyone is fixating on what vaccines UK has exported @Haffiana @EpiphanySoul1. It’s not a quid pro quo, or do you think that countries with no manufacturing capacity should not be entitled to anything even if it is contractually due to them? Do you really think it’s ok for a country to impound what is basically someone else’s property? Pretty slippery slope if you do.

Did you know that the EU signed their contract with AstraZenica one day before the UK signed theirs?

Something that is almost never reported in the UK press.

I did know this. But, as I've said previously on MN, it's quite standard for the GMP manufacturing contracts to be signed well after the initial development contracts. The UK government will have had letter of intent in place with a big lump sum paid while the details of the manufacturing contract are sorted once the development work has progressed and more information is known about yields. Because contracts are for no of batches, not number of doses. So while the UK manufacturing contract was signed very close to the EU manufacturing contract the UK had already announced months before it was working with Oxford/AZ and had been giving them money to optimise manufacture.

@Alwaysandforeverhere

It’s not up to the U.K. or EU what vaccines get shipped where! It’s upto the companies making the vaccines to where they send it, based on what ever contracts they have!

Untill the U.K. Health or who ever take delivery it’s not the UKS to do anything with. Untill the EU takes delivery where ever they want theirs shipping to it’s not theirs. It belongs to the company until it his their customer.

Apparently the EU have trouble understanding that. This is NOT a EU vs U.K. issue.

It a EU vs vaccine manufacturer issue. Withholding what they don’t own is not ok be that meant for the U.K. for Canada or Australia.

The EU is playing politics by always singling the U.K. as why they have an issue.

Exactly whether the vaccines made in UK have been exported or not is nothing to do with the UK. These are private companies fulfilling contracts according to their terms. Uk can't tell AZ who they can or can't send vaccines to and EU shouldn't be trying to. The EU is threatening to override private companies freedom to do business and fulfil their legal contracts by exerting the powers of the state over them and commandeering their private property.

There aren't UK vaccines and EU vaccines - there are companies, private companies, who happen to operate in different regions. Those regions don't have the right to tell them that they should ignore the contracts they agree to, not fulfil the orders that were bought and paid for according to the agreed terms and they certainly don't have the right to commandeer their privately owned goods. That's stazi like to say the least and would totally overstep the powers of the state. It's the kind of move we'd expect to see in China or Russia not in the West.

The EU is engaged in really dangerous and childish behaviour. Threatening to do that to business' totally undermines those business' confidence to operate in their region. It's like seizing money from the banks or private individuals. It is state theft.

I don't blame them, I am 40, no underlying health conditions and have had mine, whereas Germany has only done the over 80s. I'd rather someone vulnerable in the EU had mine, I didn't need it quickly, but usual British exceptionalism at play, no wonder the rest of the world hates us. Snd we'd still be better off if we were in the EU, this media shit stirring doesn't remove the fact it was a catastrophic decision to leave

we'd still be better off if we were in the EU, this media shit stirring doesn't remove the fact it was a catastrophic decision to leave

I'm sorry, how deluded can anyone be to still think this?

@TonTonMacoute

we'd still be better off if we were in the EU, this media shit stirring doesn't remove the fact it was a catastrophic decision to leave

I'm sorry, how deluded can anyone be to still think this?

Far too many I’m afraid. There are none so blind as those who will not see

Looking at this late and
bewildered by those who I understand are still trying to prove the EU are bad and we were right to leave. If you voted brexit and we left why do you care about the EU - you won! And part of the reason brexit won was a strong belief that we don’t need the eu as we are so powerful they are irrelevant. So if the EU is as irrelevant as eg Thailand and we “hold all the cards” why do you care? Stop talking about the EU - we left and they are meant to be irrelevant and start delivering all the wonderful things brexit has promised to deliver by the winning side ! What the EU doesn’t shouldn’t matter all - it is global Britain folks and distance is irrelevant. You won and it is all wonderful and the EU is irrelevant and the trade reduction in January of 40 per cent will all be perfectly fine by March.

@goldieloxx, you are correct. I used to like living here, but the superiority, smugness and racism that the pandemic & brexit has highlighted is incredible. I read this thread, read people laughing at vulnerable people in other countries and being smug about it. It's shameful. I am embarrassed for some of you. This thread is full of disinformation courtesy of hysterical media.

So fir the avoidance of doubt true brexiteers if we are better off without the EU and so much more powerful than them what they are doing about the vaccine is completely irrelevant!

What catastrophe have we encountered so far other than deranged types blaming us for their shitty vaccine procurement plan?

Think the pound is doing ok and we're not on the hook for bailing out other countries from the current financial crisis. We'll be facing our own issues obviously but currently eu is advertising that businesses are not safe to operate there for fear of draconian use of law to steal their products and prevent them from fulfilling contracts.

Only short term results to look at so far but they don't look bad and meanwhile the eu has behaved publicly like playground bullies who don't give a damn about repercussions on people (Irish border, leaving people unvaccinated in order to play politics over az and reinforcing vaccine hesitancy and suspicion. Not exactly making me think damn I wish I was on that team

Please explain to me what in the last year has made you wish you were staying in the eu?

No one has laughed at vulnerable people in other countries. I'm disgusted that they've been left unvaccinated because the likes of macron has played politics over duty of care.

40 per cent drop in trade in January to eu. NI peace starting to fracture (the promise was would all be fine and you don’t get to blame the eu for this as we surely would always have planned for this to work); treating EU 3 million here badly (the promise was they would be in same place as before the referendum and if you still believe nothing has changed then look at the 3 million Twitter feed for the many unpleasant changes - assuming you actually care). Fashion and Music and arts exports to Europe have all collapsed and if you don’t care about them because they are nasty remainers - also ongoing collapse of fishing industry ...

And no young person can now live or work in Europe freely - but my guess is you think that is a bad thing for them to do. Good news no Europeans can come here which I presume you think is a positive though you might find some of the ones you find useful eg doctors won’t come either. Make sure you volunteer to be at the back of the NHs queue while we spend 20 years training our own. If you believe being out of eu is worth it despite the cost I can respect that - but aren’t we now beyond the land of unicorns where we leave our local enormous trading partner and everything is still amazing

People have laughed at Europeans on this thread Honey.

Who has laughed at vulnerable people not getting vaccines? Please do quote.

And of course young people can work in Europe if their labour is needed. The same as I can work anywhere in the world that has work for me and will provide a visa. I wouldn't expect to take work away from people in their own country though. Why would I?