Ireland halting the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

[Kaylasmum49]

This just came up on my phone. I had the AZ vaccine 10 days ago. I'm concerned about the news of blood clotting issues.

@ittakes2

I have a gene that means my blood clots more than other people's. It's one of the reasons the doctor put me in group 6 - because there is strong evidence of a link between long covid and blood clots in the lungs. I had the AZ over 2 weeks ago. Naturally the news reports have made me concerned...but I wonder if these people who have had blood clots are clotting from having had covid previously rather than the vaccine. The risk of getting sick from Covid and potentailly developing clots from covid has been proven and this is much more real to me than the risk of getting from the jab. I think if you have had the jab already you really need to forget about it now. You had your's 10 days ago. You will be fine. And there will be more info about this before you are due to have your second jab.

Oh. I had long covid, but didnt get blood in my lungs[that I know of] but did get blood elsewhere where it shouldnt have been at my age, shall we say. I havent had the vaccine yet, and told NHS I will wait until Sept until more is known about the vaccines. That is perhaps not exactly what you are saying, but I am wary of taking a vaccine that may give blood clots. I dont need anything else to go wrong with my blood. During long covid, I had a few other things that were blood related too, but minor.

I live in Europe and know one person Who hasn't vaccinated her children. As far as I know everyone else disagrees with her decision.

As I understand it the EU waited to order vaccines because when the UK ordered theirs the manufacturer hadn't fully looked into the side effects?

Anyway, I live in an area where not many people have had the vaccination and people who have had covid (myself and DH inc) aren't eligible.

The UK early management of the pandemic was an absolute shit show and Boris needed to save face. So he went ahead with the vaccines.

I think most people prefer to wait and see as there are always going to be bumps along the road.

We all of our other vaccinations are up to date (inc ticks last week).

I just saw this in the Guardian:

Dr Michael Head, senior research fellow in Global Health, University of Southampton, says the decisions by France, Germany and other countries to suspend the AstraZeneca jab looks “baffling”.

In a comment published by the UK’s the Science Media Centre, he said:

"The data we have suggests that numbers of adverse events related to blood clots are the same (and possibly, in fact lower) in vaccinated groups compared to unvaccinated populations. The UK MHRA, WHO and also the International Society on Thrombosis and Haemostasis have recommended continuing the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine roll out.

Halting a vaccine roll out during a pandemic has consequences. This results in delays in protecting people, and the potential for increased vaccine hesitancy, as a result of people who have seen the headlines and understandably become concerned. There are no signs yet of any data that really justify these decisions"

@Dwigvk

But there won’t be ‘hordes’ of unvaccinated adults in the U.K. A large percentage of the population want to have the vaccine.

I agree for some age groups, but that doesn't change the fact that your argument was that as there are going to be loads of unvaccinated kids, there's no point worrying about infections in unvaccinated adults, and that doesn't make sense. (It's the same logic fail that gets us into trouble when people think they might as well visit friends indoors as their kids are in school anyway.) If you want less of something, you want less of it, so it makes no sense to decide that as you've got lots of it in one place you might as well not care if it's high elsewhere.

Wanting less of something is fine but people should still be allowed to make a choice about whether or not to have a vaccine. Trying to guilt/scare them with ‘oh, but mutations!’ doesn’t really make sense in the current situation. The purpose of lockdown was to reduce pressure on the NHS. Vaccinating the people most likely to end up in hospital has done that. We should now be able to lift restrictions and get on with our lives and stop worrying about what other people are doing with theirs.

"As I understand it the EU waited to order vaccines because when the UK ordered theirs the manufacturer hadn't fully looked into the side effects?"

No, I don't think that's what happened. Look up the problems with the Astra Zeneca contracts and supplies.

@Gwenhwyfar

"As I understand it the EU waited to order vaccines because when the UK ordered theirs the manufacturer hadn't fully looked into the side effects?"

No, I don't think that's what happened. Look up the problems with the Astra Zeneca contracts and supplies.

I'm talking about last year but I will Google that. DH is very pro the vaccine but we can't have it as we only had the virus earlier this year.

Saying that the vaccine procurement procedure was a face saving response to poor planning is so very tiresome.

Timing, for one reason. 26th March 2020, press release about the funding to be made available

Funding, and look how much they spent!

Whatever the truth turns out to be about the efficacy of any country's pandemic response it is becoming more and more clear that the UK Pandemic Plan always included a lot of money for both vaccine research and procurement.

So, could we restrict the critique to things that actually did happen?

I think to many people are overthinking this and are so convinced it's "Europe being Europe"/"anti AZ plot" that they are in danger of disappearing down a rabbit hole.

Some countries medical authorities weren't happy with some reports, some countries therefore suspended using the AZ vaccine, that got into the media. In some cases the suspension is just for 24 hours pending the medical report due tomorrow. I suspect it'll very soon be a case of "no harm, no foul", everybody will be happier, including the MSM and the AZ will be going back into arms PDQ...fair enough.

The UK chose not to do so - I suspect the stoppage stories have perhaps been spun/played differently in some sources there, probably down to UK politics and the MSM, and that's also fair enough ....

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@moanieleminx what do you mean about not having vaccine because you had virus earlier in the year? This is my situation and wondered if there are contraindications

I'd buy all of that, but the discrepancy in reporting, reacting to the exact same issues with Pfizer is an oddity yet to be explained

@Gwenhwyfar

"As I understand it the EU waited to order vaccines because when the UK ordered theirs the manufacturer hadn't fully looked into the side effects?"

No, I don't think that's what happened. Look up the problems with the Astra Zeneca contracts and supplies.

The UK booked orders while clinical trials were still underway to get earlier access once approvals were given. The US did the same and paid upfront to help fund the creation of manufacturing capacity and testing of the vaccine candidates. We likely wouldn't have the vaccine supply we do if this hadn't happened.

www.cnbc.com/2020/08/14/the-us-has-already-invested-billions-on-potential-coronavirus-vaccines-heres-where-the-deals-stand.html

[quote Downriver]@moanieleminx what do you mean about not having vaccine because you had virus earlier in the year? This is my situation and wondered if there are contraindications [/quote]
I am not in the UK, but in Switzerland.

They haven't authorized us to have it in this instance.

I don't know what the case is in the UK?

Ireland have checked it, found it safe and are using it again now

Yay! I look forward to reading BIG headlines, hopefully other countries will take notice 😁

@Gwenhwyfar

"As I understand it the EU waited to order vaccines because when the UK ordered theirs the manufacturer hadn't fully looked into the side effects?"

No, I don't think that's what happened. Look up the problems with the Astra Zeneca contracts and supplies.

Since then, the MHRA has also authorized the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, and a third by U.S. drugmaker Moderna (though that was two days behind the EU). These prompt decisions were possible because the U.K. changed national medicine regulations in the fall to enable the MHRA to give temporary authorization to a vaccine that meets safety and efficacy standards but has yet to finish the licensing process. This mechanism was available to all EU countries, but they opted for a more rigorous licensing procedure in which the companies, rather than taxpayers, accept liability if there are problems. With the end of the Brexit transition period just weeks away, the U.K. would have felt little political pressure to sign up to the EU’s commitment to roll out vaccines to all countries at the same time.

www.google.ch/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/8-reasons-why-uk-leads-europe-coronavirus-vaccination-race/amp/

Also in Italy 2 middle age people died after the vaccine for blood cloths. I am surprised the news didn't mention this as it is in the Italian press all over.

@Eleonorex

Also in Italy 2 middle age people died after the vaccine for blood cloths. I am surprised the news didn't mention this as it is in the Italian press all over.

I do remember reading about them. I think one if the had a history of getting clots but not the other.

*of them

I heard that people who had Covid had a worse reaction to the vaccine

@Kaylasmum49

They will give you the vaccine as long as you haven't had covid recently.

"You can have the vaccine 28 days after you had a positive test for COVID-19 or 28 days after your symptoms started, so you may need to wait."

www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-us/staff/covid-staff-faqs-vaccine.aspx

The vaccines are under massive scrutiny at the minute for obvious reasons, and the minute an "adverse reaction" or link to something is found it does need investigating. That being said, I'm sure it is a coincidental finding, and that they are just being over cautious.

There have been less than 50 cases of blood clots etc out of millions of vaccines administered which is lower or around what would have been expected in the general population without vaccine. Having worked in pharmaceuticals this is scaremongering possibly as an excuse for their poor roll out of vaccine within the EU? No vaccine is 100% effective. No medicine is guaranteed to not have side effects. Read the information leaflet next time you get a prescription and scare yourself silly! Are you going to stop taking penicillin because some people have an allergic reaction.

@sussexlady

Ireland have checked it, found it safe and are using it again now

Is it not that NI are continuing to give it but Republic of Ireland have still suspended it?

It was drearily inevitable that 'paranoia' about Covid would turn into 'paranoia about Covid vaccines'.

I don't know how some people actually manage to function in real life if so much time is taken up with worrying about minimal risks.

There were apparently more blood clots amongst the unvaccinated population, so I think there is every reason to get vaccinated.