Will lots just say 'stuff it' come the 23rd?

[JuneSummer]

It'll soon be a year since lockdown was first called and me and DH have been watching lots of TV coverage over the last few days. It's just dawned on us this week that we have now not seen our parents for a year, the DC haven't hugged their grandparents, we haven't been for any days out as a family, DC1 hasn't had a single uni class in person. The list goes on.

DH and I are now quickly coming to the conclusion that we just cannot and will not go on living like this any longer as a family. Particularly when there seems to be no end in sight if you listen to people like Chris Whitty and Christina Pagel (who was wanting masks and social distancing for the foreseeable future last night on the news).

Both sets of parents are in their mid 60s and have been vaccinated. We are now strongly minded to visit both at the beginning of April and allow them to see their DGC.

I suspect we will not be alone. Will lots of people simply say 'no more' upon realising they've spent a year of their lives not living?

@Workinghardeveryday

@ Wondermule I don’t know. I just think if I was healthy and had normal chances, I really wouldn’t break the rules because I suppose I would feel bad, would keep me awake on a night about the pandemic and I was adding to it. That’s how it spreads as we all know, as crap as it is, seeing people spreads it.

For example at Christmas a family member came to another member of my family for the day (obviously I didn’t go). She had it, gave it to everyone there. One of them then gave it to another family member a few days later in her 90’s. ....

That’s a pity, how is she doing?

And it’s very noble of you of course, and I think that is how most people went into the first and even the second lockdown. But the third? After over year of watching their family’s mental health and relationships decline, losing jobs, losing homes? There’s an entire thread about people watching their elderly parents decline as a year of sitting on the sofa has aged them all at once. At that point it becomes hard to lie awake thinking of others. I don’t think people have a moral obligation to continue watching their lives go down the pan because the government has mismanaged the virus.

@ TheKeatingFive I don’t know, some of them have died already of Covid so that’s a tricky one.

@Racoonworld all I am asking is for people to follow the rules for now! That’s all, just to follow the rules for a bit longer, cases will keep dropping if we society distance. Yes, schools are a worry, but would be much worse with tests in school and tests at home as there are now.

I do understand how hard it is for you really!! I suffer from extreme anxiety as well as my health condition, so I do get how it’s harder for some rather than others, and you have a baby which without Covid is really hard! But don’t you worry about long Covid for your baby? I saw something on sky news the other day about kids and long Covid, was awful!! Sorry, not scare mongering, but that also worries me!

all I am asking is for people to follow the rules for now! That’s all, just to follow the rules for a bit longer, cases will keep dropping if we society distance.

People have been saying this for over a year. I know people with cancer who have died in that time without being able to have a last day out with their family, or go on one last holiday, or even have a family gathering.

The vulnerable have been vaccinated, the weather is getting better. The country should not have to sit in and slide further into an emotional and economic depression for another six months until everyone has had both doses. Even if that happens, some mutation will come along and there will be further delays. Enough is enough.

Yes, over a year. And the last pandemic took two years to burn out, i think.

@ilovesooty

Yes, over a year. And the last pandemic took two years to burn out, i think.

Yes because they let it rip through the population.

However that was without the benefit of vaccination being available as it is to us. I think asking people to ease up in line with the projected road map isn't unreasonable.

YY @ilovesooty Thats why i wont be letting the HA in for any non essential surveys. It will only be if i have any emergencies.

@ilovesooty

However that was without the benefit of vaccination being available as it is to us. I think asking people to ease up in line with the projected road map isn't unreasonable.

Yes. I am getting sick of this lockdown lover bullshit as if those who understand this rationale And suicidal thoughts? Yes of course there are and have been some with tragic consequences But blatantly plenty of people on this thread don’t fall into that category. They fall into the selfish can’t be arsed one

YY @sleepwouldbenice

Some of the posters on the Mumsnet Coronavirus board insisting we are all in this together and #protecttheNHS etc are the ones who went on the ski trips last year because they didnt want to lose their deposit

www.redonline.co.uk/health-self/relationships/a35794452/signs-of-financial-abuse/

There’s been a rise in cases in the last year as a result of the pandemic. Research* found that since March 2020, a further 1.6m people are having their finances controlled by someone else and the increase is sharpest among women under 35.

Most countries haven't had the strict total ban of indoor mixing like we have, can't say we have faired better because of it can you?
That's because the government have done a sterling job of gaslighting the country with the "don't kill granny" message instead of addressing the real issues of the underfunded NHS and education system, a failure to support those financially vulnerable when they need to isolate, inadequate PPE for our care workers, borders open to every man and his dog to enter our country without testing, poor test and trace, I could go on......

@Workinghardeveryday no I don’t worry about long covid. Post viral syndrome has always been around. Have you worried about it before covid? I worry about not being there for my baby, same as you, but lockdown is the threat to me. Our needs are different and yours aren’t more important than mine, we all do what we can.

You say you don’t want to scaremonger but you have just told someone who you know suffers from mental health issues that long covid could harm their baby. I’m sorry but that is scare mongering, please don’t do that in future. Thankfully I’m relatively stable right now (due to seeing my support network), but that could have bad consequences for someone in a worse position than me.

@Racoonworld Now that’s a bit unfair. I am so sorry if that would frighten anyone. I only stated news that was on morning sky news the other day, so we aren’t allowed to mention the complications of Covid for children on here, sorry I had no idea.

To anyone else that would find that upsetting, best not watch the news.

To answer your question of worrying about Post Viral Syndrome, no I don’t suppose I did, maybe I didn’t know enough about it but obviously it’s all over the news all the time now. And now mum has it so it has opened my eyes and I have a better understanding.

@Workinghardeveryday of course you are allowed to discuss that here. There are many threads and discussions on it, and yes it's in the news so I'm sure people are aware of the possibility. Just don't slip it into the same paragraph where we have been discussing mental health issues with a new baby, asking if I'm worried about that like I really should be worried, then proclaim not to be scaremongering.

Anyway, the reason why I'm not particularly worried about long covid is because I was already aware of post viral syndrome and have seen family and friends affected by this before, including people getting conditions like diabetes, ME and Crohns from it. Long covid wasn't a surprise or anything new to me, and I don't spend my life worrying about it or I would have been terrified every time I got a cold or flu before. Just as I don't worry about getting in a car accident every time I get in the car, or I wouldn't ever leave my house.

Meh, I’ve given up enough. Call me selfish all you like, I think you’re all being fucking selfish expecting me to destroy my own MH in isolation.

@Racoonworld
I have just looked at the symptoms of post viral syndrome. Am I missing something? How could anyone possibly develop diabetes or crohns from it? It mentions nothing like that whatsoever, please correct me if I am wrong after spending the last 20 minutes reading about it. Doesn’t mention anything about living in debilitating pain like long Covid. Like I say correct me if I am wrong but it’s completely different.

I don’t even know how to respond to your comments about how I worded my post re long Covid! Was I meant to post first to say I was going to mention it? Maybe I should get dp to proof read for me next time 😊

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Most countries haven't had the strict total ban of indoor mixing like we have, can't say we have faired better because of it can you? That's because the government have done a sterling job of gaslighting the country with the "don't kill granny" message instead of addressing the real issues of the underfunded NHS and education system, a failure to support those financially vulnerable when they need to isolate, inadequate PPE for our care workers, borders open to every man and his dog to enter our country without testing, poor test and trace, I could go on......

Interesting comments. You do realise that our furlough scheme is one of the most generous in the world don’t you? Also a great deal of countries HAVE had a ban on mixing indoors.

The government needed to shut our borders back in January last year if it was to have any lasting effect- how would the public have reacted to this total isolation of the country when the pandemic was in its earliest stages? It would never have been allowed.

Large numbers of the public can barely stick to the rules now, one year later with the hideous death toll that we have had. How would the government have persuaded people to listen if there had been zero deaths?

The elephant in the room is unfortunately schools being open. This is our Achilles heel and perhaps it will take another wave or two before the nation collectively understands that household mixing bans (widely ignored by many) have little effect when households are mixing at schools.

One of the best healthcare systems in the world (Italy) was at near collapse last year due to Covid so funding isn’t really to blame either. We have thrown everything at this thing and still it’s not enough. Our vaccine efforts are world leading, time will tell if even that is enough to help us get back some semblance or normality.

The real test will be if our exit strategy has to be tweaked, will the public accept it? How will people respond if it becomes apparent the vaccine is not as effective as hoped and we have to double down on restrictions once again?

I don’t know, some of them have died already of Covid so that’s a tricky one.

And plenty of them will die of other things in the near future. Covid’s not the only show in town.

Neither you nor anyone else have any rights to call people selfish for spending time with elderly relatives who may not be here in a year.

How will people respond if it becomes apparent the vaccine is not as effective as hoped and we have to double down on restrictions once again?

A very significant proportion of them won’t do it. Public compliance with very tough restrictions was always going to be a finite resource.

@ TheKeatingFive Just like you are entitled to an opinion so am I.

How can you say that!! Obviously if they hadn’t of caught Covid they wouldn’t have died!! What a ridiculous response to my comment.

@Thewiseoneincognito You do realise that our furlough scheme is one of the most generous in the world don’t you?

Ah. I see you've swallowed Rishi Sunak's words. While those who have been supported by furlough, and SEISS (the self employed equivalent), have largely been supported well, about 3 million people - equivalent to 1 in 10 workers - have fallen through all the cracks of government support.

Many have been banned from working, and have then found themselves ineligible for Furlough, SEISS, Universal Credit, small business grants, ARGs, and more. People have lost their businesses, homes, savings and marriages because of the government's failure to support people.

www.excludeduk.org/excluded-taxpayers

[quote Racoonworld]@PrincessNutNuts do you get this worked up over people dying from the flu? Because usually a lot more than 30,000 people in the UK die of flu every year. I don't think 30,000 people dying of covid the rest of the year is particularly high numbers when you compare to that. Sad, yes of course it's always sad when people die. But not out of the ordinary.[/quote]
You know that’s the wrong information? It’s around 10,000 a year with 22,000 considered a really bad year. The NHS can not cope with that, that’s why added on all the covid deaths is bad.
You know a lot of doctors are still off work 12months later with long covid? You know healthy young people who went on cycling holidays and ran marathons. That’s why the NHS needed us to stay home and not spread it, they have less staff than they started with. But you think it’s just the flu and that’s great.

@BonnieDundee

Surely you must recognise for a lot of people a year is all they can do?

It’s not like it’s for fun, it’s not like in a famine or world war everyone went “times up guys, they’ve had a year let’s stop and get back to normal”

@ HedgeOwl
Couldn’t have said it better myself!!!

Obviously if they hadn’t of caught Covid they wouldn’t have died!! What a ridiculous response to my comment.

I’m not sure you’re really following.

You can die of lots of things that aren't Covid.

Many people aren’t prepared to piss away the finite time they have with elderly relatives in further lockdowns, now that their risk of Covid has been reduced by vaccination.