Will lots just say 'stuff it' come the 23rd?

[JuneSummer]

It'll soon be a year since lockdown was first called and me and DH have been watching lots of TV coverage over the last few days. It's just dawned on us this week that we have now not seen our parents for a year, the DC haven't hugged their grandparents, we haven't been for any days out as a family, DC1 hasn't had a single uni class in person. The list goes on.

DH and I are now quickly coming to the conclusion that we just cannot and will not go on living like this any longer as a family. Particularly when there seems to be no end in sight if you listen to people like Chris Whitty and Christina Pagel (who was wanting masks and social distancing for the foreseeable future last night on the news).

Both sets of parents are in their mid 60s and have been vaccinated. We are now strongly minded to visit both at the beginning of April and allow them to see their DGC.

I suspect we will not be alone. Will lots of people simply say 'no more' upon realising they've spent a year of their lives not living?

What an awful post Mrs hookey

A year’s not that long in pandemic terms, if you look at history. Usually takes at least two to settle down fully. This won’t be rest of our lives. Have some bloody perspective, it’s been hard for everybody. The Western world has been relatively stable for the last 50 years or so with no major crises, but if you look back, this isn’t the norm. A lot of people lack resilience. And yeah, I live alone and have mental health problems and I’m not saying “fuck it”. I teach in a nursery without PPE which has never closed, and I’m thinking of the community, the families and the children as I continue to follow restrictions. Things are already getting so much better with the vaccine rates, let’s not let the side down now when there are still many unvaccinated. They don’t deserve to be in a lottery as to whether they end up in hospital - and it’s possible if you are young. I am happy to protect them for a few more months until they have been vaccinated. I’m not saying we shouldn’t allow meet-ups outdoors when the weather gets warmer etc, but I don’t see the problem with masks on public transport and social distancing.

To any twits still saying it’s like the flu, it’s not. It’s far more contagious and has a higher fatality rate.

This isn’t going to be forever. Chin up.

I don't think people are necessarily promoting lockdown. They're just asking people to follow the restrictions so the lockdown can be eased as planned.

If it's not, the implications, particularly for those working in sectors such as retail/hospitality and those who do not qualify for government support will be serious and potentially force them into (further) poverty.

@ Colourfulowls yes I do understand what you are saying. I haven’t so much as been to the local supermarket for over a year. It’s totally shit. But some people don’t have a choice and people like me who have kids to look after are totally relaying on others to follow the rules to stay alive.

Obviously it’s different for people like me to healthy people, but omg, please please can everyone just hold out and follow the rules, please.

My kids are at school for the first time in over a year. They are mixing with kids of people who aren’t following the rules which terrifies me. I want my kids to have a mum. If I catch it I have no chance.

I miss my mum, I miss all my family, just like all of you meeting family at the minute. Don’t get me wrong I can totally understand you want to, why shouldn’t you cuddle you own family ffs. But this is a pandemic!!! If everyone in the world did that....

To everyone posting meeting up, please please just wait please

@Unmellowbirds

I don't think people are necessarily promoting lockdown. They're just asking people to follow the restrictions so the lockdown can be eased as planned.

If it's not, the implications, particularly for those working in sectors such as retail/hospitality and those who do not qualify for government support will be serious and potentially force them into (further) poverty.

I don’t think it matters, hospitality has been so decimated that another couple of months is flogging a dead horse anyway.

Anyway there won’t BE another huge spike resulting in a collapsed NHS. Spring is here, all of the most vulnerable have been vaccinated, and it is time to get on with our lives.

As I said before I am CEV but vaccine more than lightly won’t work for me (had it). My family and myself are at the mercy of everyone else to follow the rules. I am one of many

@Workinghardeveryday

As I said before I am CEV but vaccine more than lightly won’t work for me (had it). My family and myself are at the mercy of everyone else to follow the rules. I am one of many

Why don’t you continue to stay home then? And let others go out and live their lives?

@MrsHookey

Some of you who aren't following guidelines will be responsible for other people's deaths.

People who are following guidelines are also responsible for people’s deaths, if we continue this pernicious narrative that if we inadvertently infect someone with a virus during a pandemic then we have killed them.

Following the rules does not mean you don’t get infected or infect anyone. It just keeps the rates down on a population level.

@Wondermule I think she has clearly explained that she can't entirely, as her children go to school.

Nice response.

@picklespark actually for the thousands of people who have died during the pandemic not of covid, and for those who will die between now and June, it is the rest of their lives.

I agree with following the rules but telling people to “have some bloody perspective” is really unkind.

And if you don’t see the problem with social distancing then words honestly fail me. Many businesses being unable to survive for a start.

[quote Unmellowbirds]@Wondermule I think she has clearly explained that she can't entirely, as her children go to school.

Nice response.[/quote]
Well given covid is not going anywhere, and her children go to school, how is she ever going to reconcile that? Do we all stay at home, forever?

@Wondermule
I don't think she's asking for that, just for people to follow the rules whilst they are in force.

A bit of empathy wouldn't go amiss. I am
in the fortunate position of not being vulnerable and have never anticipated being particularly ill if I catch Covid. For this, amongst many other reasons including being unable to travel to see my own family, I am heartily sick of lockdown.

It is not, however, all about me, and I am surprised, given all the criticism there has been about the last lockdown being lifted too quickly, that people are not more supportive of a gradual lifting this time. Which will hopefully benefit all of us by it not being required again, whilst offering some reassurance to those who are vulnerable.

@ Wondermule I am!! But I have no choice than to send my kids to school. They need to go for their MH and as much as I have tried I am not a teacher!!

I just don’t get why people don’t follow the rules, we all have to no matter your situation for a reason. Don’t you think it’s awful for the rest of us too? Why do the people breaking the rules think they are different and special? Because they have had enough?

I have had enough. I am at breaking point. I don’t see anyone - ever. I am shielding and my house has flooded but we have had to stay here because of shafting Covid. I don’t have a choice. I want my mum, I want her to give me a cuddle and tell me it will all be all right but I can’t because of Covid. I want to give her a cuddle and tell her not to worry about me and make her feel better because she lives her life in constant pain because of long Covid.

So, yes, it annoys me that other people ‘have had enough’ of following the rules. CEV people have had enough. Believe me.

[quote Unmellowbirds]@Wondermule
I don't think she's asking for that, just for people to follow the rules whilst they are in force.

A bit of empathy wouldn't go amiss. I am
in the fortunate position of not being vulnerable and have never anticipated being particularly ill if I catch Covid. For this, amongst many other reasons including being unable to travel to see my own family, I am heartily sick of lockdown.

It is not, however, all about me, and I am surprised, given all the criticism there has been about the last lockdown being lifted too quickly, that people are not more supportive of a gradual lifting this time. Which will hopefully benefit all of us by it not being required again, whilst offering some reassurance to those who are vulnerable.
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I am vulnerable to covid, I am chronically ill with a condition that lowers my immune system.

I don’t expect anyone to stop living their lives on my behalf. I like to see people out and about enjoying themselves. I take the precautions I feel I need to stay safe, but that shouldn’t come at a cost to others.

@Workinghardeveryday

@ Wondermule I am!! But I have no choice than to send my kids to school. They need to go for their MH and as much as I have tried I am not a teacher!!

I just don’t get why people don’t follow the rules, we all have to no matter your situation for a reason. Don’t you think it’s awful for the rest of us too? Why do the people breaking the rules think they are different and special? Because they have had enough?

I have had enough. I am at breaking point. I don’t see anyone - ever. I am shielding and my house has flooded but we have had to stay here because of shafting Covid. I don’t have a choice. I want my mum, I want her to give me a cuddle and tell me it will all be all right but I can’t because of Covid. I want to give her a cuddle and tell her not to worry about me and make her feel better because she lives her life in constant pain because of long Covid.

So, yes, it annoys me that other people ‘have had enough’ of following the rules. CEV people have had enough. Believe me.

But with respect they are the ones who have given up their lives and livelihoods for over a year to protect you. They have already gone above and beyond, I feel any further demands are unacceptable.

I don’t know what it is you are waiting for exactly, when do you think people should be allowed to hug their own family or leave their house?

It seems many on here who are flying the I've broken no rules flag have families and loved ones that they need to travel too in order to see them. I wonder how many would still be flying that flag if the ones they are closest too actually lived around the corner or within walking distance? 🤔

So many posters saying how their families live hundreds of miles away or in another country, you couldn't of had that close of a physical contact relationship anyway pre pandemic. That's the downside of them or you moving away you forego that regular physical contact . I very much doubt there's anyone living local to close family haven't seen them in a year, not a chance!

@Workinghardeveryday I think what some of us are confused about is what will be the difference in a few months? Covid will still be around, cases will rise when restrictions are released no matter if that’s right now or later in summer. The only difference I can see is that more will be vaccinated so the NHS won’t be overwhelmed by a rise in cases, so we won’t need the restrictions anymore. So by asking us to wait a few months to see family, why? What for? What do you think the difference will be then?

@picklespark This will be the second Easter in lockdown.

@ Wondermule I don’t know. I just think if I was healthy and had normal chances, I really wouldn’t break the rules because I suppose I would feel bad, would keep me awake on a night about the pandemic and I was adding to it. That’s how it spreads as we all know, as crap as it is, seeing people spreads it.

For example at Christmas a family member came to another member of my family for the day (obviously I didn’t go). She had it, gave it to everyone there. One of them then gave it to another family member a few days later in her 90’s. ....

I just don’t get why people don’t follow the rules

I do have sympathy for your situation but I find it hard.to believe you really dont know why people aren't following the rules. You make it sound so easy. People are at breaking point because they have a basic human need that is not being met

I think our HA wanting to come inside our homes to do non essential surveys almost two months before ppl are allowed to visit relatives in their homes go down like a cup of cold sick. Funny how Covid isnt serious come this sort of thing.

I just think if I was healthy and had normal chances, I really wouldn’t break the rules

Even if you had elderly relatives that won’t be around for ever? That you’d barely seen in a year? That are now vaccinated?

@Workinghardeveryday you say your kids need to go to school because of their mental health, yet you don’t see why some people can’t stick to the rules? Some people need to see family for their mental health. My mental health wasn’t great before covid (complicated history of depression, anxiety and self harm), you can imagine what covid has done given my coping mechanism was immersing myself in my social life and activities. Not everyone’s situation is the same, not everyone’s needs are the same. Lockdown is more dangerous to me than covid. I have a baby, she needs me too. So yes I’ll put my family first over yours, of course I will, and I won’t feel guilty of it. Your really can’t judge everyone who has different needs to yourself.

@Wellbythebloodyhell I wouldn't have, purely because they wouldn't have seen me during lockdown without vaccines.
We managed to meet up last summer, I didn't stay with them, but I wouldn't want to make them uncomfortable.

My dad had his second jab today, my mum's is due, so we should be able to go
and see them in May.

Unless the travel restrictions aren't lifted as planned, in which case we can't.

See what i mean about people being shat on?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4194114-girl-in-isolation-as-school-changed-rules-and-shops-not-open