Will lots just say 'stuff it' come the 23rd?

[JuneSummer]

It'll soon be a year since lockdown was first called and me and DH have been watching lots of TV coverage over the last few days. It's just dawned on us this week that we have now not seen our parents for a year, the DC haven't hugged their grandparents, we haven't been for any days out as a family, DC1 hasn't had a single uni class in person. The list goes on.

DH and I are now quickly coming to the conclusion that we just cannot and will not go on living like this any longer as a family. Particularly when there seems to be no end in sight if you listen to people like Chris Whitty and Christina Pagel (who was wanting masks and social distancing for the foreseeable future last night on the news).

Both sets of parents are in their mid 60s and have been vaccinated. We are now strongly minded to visit both at the beginning of April and allow them to see their DGC.

I suspect we will not be alone. Will lots of people simply say 'no more' upon realising they've spent a year of their lives not living?

They way this has been done is appalling. Scare tactics to make the non-vulnerable terrified so they will abide by the rules. Then that worked too well so they had to back track in summer so that people would go out and spend money. Then people enjoyed themselves too much so back into lockdown. But It's ok because if you abide by lockdown for a month you can have Christmas with family. Oh no wait you can't, we will cancel it 5 days before

Totally agree @Racoonworld The November lockdown to save Christmas was also to ensure that people spent money like Christmas was going to happen as usual. But fool us once shame on them fool us twice shame on us. I dont think it would work again. Then they did the sensationalist press conference on the 19th December. Which backfired on them when France did what they did and caused the massive blocks in Kent. They have to own that. Felt sorry for the lorry drivers and their families.

Oh. And I'm done protecting the NHS. It's supposed to protect me. The funding decisions made by numerous governments are not my responsibility.

Oh. And I'm done protecting the NHS. It's supposed to protect me. The funding decisions made by numerous governments are not my responsibility

Also this

A HS that only works with everyone holed up in their own houses isn’t actually functioning.

We're all "living"

Your way increases the dying.

Your way will also involve an increase in deaths. Of course if they die of non-COVID causes they dont matter

We've said 'fuck it' since all our parents and grandparents have been vaccinated. I'm CEV and have had 1st vaccinate. We're hosting 4 households for Easter weekend in the house, cannot wait to have the family back together. DC are going to grandparents for sleepovers, we're having friends round and meeting friends and family for walks and at the park. I genuinely don't know a single person who's now following 'the rules'.

Selfish wankers! So glad the the rest of us put our own lives on hold (and continue to do so) to protect you!!!

Seriously don't understand posts like this (the OP)

Not seen parents for a year . Not had a day out with your family for a year . You were allowed to do both of these last Summer .

I realise that was some months back now , but still , why did people not take advantage of the small amount of freedom they were allowed last summer / early Autumn?

Given you haven't returned to the thread I suspect you just wanted to set off another bun fight.

@ACovidofWitches

People say "but we have the vaccines now" or "the vulnerable have been vaccinated" or similar.

So I point out that we've had the vaccines for 4 months.

And a lot of people have still died.

Because we are still vaccinating.

And will be for several months.

I do usually do the full break down of 36.6% having had a first dose, and 2.4% being fully vaccinated, but sometimes I'm typing with one thumb when I'm supposed to be doing other things and don't go though it fully.

Not that it does any good to state facts the "determined to believe comforting bullshit to justify doing what they want" types.

@BonnieDundee

We're all "living"

Your way increases the dying.

Your way will also involve an increase in deaths. Of course if they die of non-COVID causes they dont matter

Have a guess what having hospitals full of covid patients does to deaths from non covid causes?

@TheKeatingFive

Oh. And I'm done protecting the NHS. It's supposed to protect me. The funding decisions made by numerous governments are not my responsibility

Also this

A HS that only works with everyone holed up in their own houses isn’t actually functioning.

Absolutely. We are only ‘protecting’ it so they can keep underfunding it, and pretend at the end that it is adequate because ‘it never collapsed’.

@TheKeatingFive

Oh. And I'm done protecting the NHS. It's supposed to protect me. The funding decisions made by numerous governments are not my responsibility

Also this

A HS that only works with everyone holed up in their own houses isn’t actually functioning.

This is quite true.

But what do you think will happen if we end restrictions too soon and cases and hospitalisations surge?

Hospitals are not full of covid patients though nor will they be with the vaccines.

Human interaction is a basic human need, it's not selfish to want access to basic human needs

@PrincessNutNuts

I don’t know why don’t you tell us? You seem the be the expert with the crystal ball?

@Chimeraforce

Oh. And I'm done protecting the NHS. It's supposed to protect me. The funding decisions made by numerous governments are not my responsibility.

So instead we should let the NHS collapse under the weight of covid patients and when your dad or mine has a heart attack or stroke or our husbands have a car accident then what?

@PrincessNutNuts

You keep answering questions with questions while pretending to know the answers

There’s absolutely zero point in calling 50% (because I reckon that’s current non compliance levels) of the population selfish. They don’t care. My family aren’t close enough to see right now but good for those that can and are making their own risk assessment.

Be angry at the government for underfunding the NHS, for using continual lockdowns a year later when they are not recommended as a long term strategy. People have had enough.

I’m glad people are using common sense now.

@BonnieDundee

Hospitals are not full of covid patients though nor will they be with the vaccines.

Human interaction is a basic human need, it's not selfish to want access to basic human needs

We all want that.

As you say, it's a basic human need.

That's why we shouldn't have any more lockdowns.

And the way to avoid lockdowns is to do it right this time.

[quote Wondermule]@PrincessNutNuts

You keep answering questions with questions while pretending to know the answers[/quote]
Everyone knows the answer!

Because A) we've lived through a year if this.

And B) Chris Whitty was on the news a week ago explaining it. Again.

@PrincessNutNuts yes but the most vulnerable quarter of the population have been vaccinated now. They were not vaccinated last year. So what do you expect to happen if restrictions were lifted in a couple of weeks? Can you give a more precise forecast rather than just ‘what Chris Whitty said’?

Not going to have a rave but I've been seeing my friend and my close family. One year may not be a long time out of most people's lives but when your average life expectancy is 40 and you're in your 30s you may think differently.
I live alone in a small house with no garden. I was getting to the point where I'd rather not be here, so I made a choice to see a few people for my mental health.
If we had an end date it may be easier but we don't. I don't blame people for seeing friends and family after a year.

We all want that.

As you say, it's a basic human need.

That's why we shouldn't have any more lockdowns.

And the way to avoid lockdowns is to do it right this time.

Theyve had a year to get it right and you expect us all to give them another 3 weeks/3 months/one year of our lives in the vague hope they might do better this time? Jog on

Theyve had a year to get it right and you expect us all to give them another 3 weeks/3 months/one year of our lives in the vague hope they might do better this time? Jog on

THIS!

It isn’t because the general population have been misbehaving that we are in lockdown again a year later. For months.
It’s the failure to control infection in hospitals and care homes and prisons. Not because one person is having tea with their vaccinated Mum.

A huge percentage of the most serious cases are acquired in hospital.

@BonnieDundee

We all want that.

As you say, it's a basic human need.

That's why we shouldn't have any more lockdowns.

And the way to avoid lockdowns is to do it right this time.

Theyve had a year to get it right and you expect us all to give them another 3 weeks/3 months/one year of our lives in the vague hope they might do better this time? Jog on

Doing it right this time would mean giving ourselves freedom from lockdowns.

But you lockdown-lovers can put us straight back into one if you prefer.

Pretty much everyone catches it by spending time with another person/people indoors.(as far as we know.)

So people catch it in the places where they spend time.

For most people it's work school or home.

Because those are the only places they go.

If they spend time in a prison, a care home or a hospital then they could catch it there.

If they spend time at their friend's, their sister's or their mum's then they can catch it there. Or pass it on.

[quote Wondermule]@PrincessNutNuts yes but the most vulnerable quarter of the population have been vaccinated now. They were not vaccinated last year. So what do you expect to happen if restrictions were lifted in a couple of weeks? Can you give a more precise forecast rather than just ‘what Chris Whitty said’?[/quote]
No they haven't.

I'm sure everything Chris Whitty said is well reported and still on iplayer etc.

TL:DR "Some people having had some vaccine doesn't mean it's safe to stop following the rules."