Will lots just say 'stuff it' come the 23rd?

[JuneSummer]

It'll soon be a year since lockdown was first called and me and DH have been watching lots of TV coverage over the last few days. It's just dawned on us this week that we have now not seen our parents for a year, the DC haven't hugged their grandparents, we haven't been for any days out as a family, DC1 hasn't had a single uni class in person. The list goes on.

DH and I are now quickly coming to the conclusion that we just cannot and will not go on living like this any longer as a family. Particularly when there seems to be no end in sight if you listen to people like Chris Whitty and Christina Pagel (who was wanting masks and social distancing for the foreseeable future last night on the news).

Both sets of parents are in their mid 60s and have been vaccinated. We are now strongly minded to visit both at the beginning of April and allow them to see their DGC.

I suspect we will not be alone. Will lots of people simply say 'no more' upon realising they've spent a year of their lives not living?

@LucilleTheVampireBat

To the rule breakers (!), do you know anyone who has been seriously ill with Covid or left with long Covid or died? I do

Covid doesn't trump everything though. Why do you think that this^^ is some sort of 'gotcha'? What do you people actually want? To stay locked down forever? To be told that you cannot see your family or friends or earn a living indefinitely? You insisted that it was just a case of waiting for the vaccine, well, it's here and millions have had it and it's working. What more do you actually want from other people?

I would like to know this too. We have the vaccine we were all waiting for. Why are there people who still insist we need to keep locked down? We don't, and in three months time there will be no restrictions at all. People need to get used to the idea that this is ending very soon, and we will all need to live with the risk of covid in our lives and take appropriate precautions themselves if they so wish.

I mean, what do you "We've given up a year of our lives, enough is enough" crowd think will happen if we lift restrictions and "go back to normal"?

Is anyone actually suggesting we all hit the nightclubs? I don’t think so.

We’re talking about seeing family and friends in small groups. Either they’ve had the vaccine or they weren’t vulnerable to begin with. Vaccine efficacy is extremely heartening. Covid is not going away, but all indications are that it’s ability to cause serious illness will be greatly diminished.

You insisted that it was just a case of waiting for the vaccine, well, it's here and millions have had it and it's working. What more do you actually want from other people?

Exactly

THERE IS NOTHING SELFISH ABOUT WANTING TO SEE YOUR FAMILY.

[quote PrincessNutNuts]@Wondermule

If you think the economy is trashed now, and your life is not what you would choose now - even with restrictions limiting the spread, what do you think lifting the restrictions and allowing the virus free rein will do to all of our lives?

No one actually thinks we can pretend it's not happening and just "go back to normal" do they?

I mean, what do you "We've given up a year of our lives, enough is enough" crowd think will happen if we lift restrictions and "go back to normal"?
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Nothing. I don't think anything will happen to be honest. We have the vaccine. It is much, much more effective than was predicted. Even with one dose it is more effective than the flu vaccine. We never needed it to stop covid in it's tracks, we needed it to prevent the majority of hospilisations and deaths, which is does with one dose. over 1/3 of the population has now had one dose.

Yes, I do think we can go back to normal, and so do the government seeing as the plan is for all restrictions to be lifted in three months time.

A work colleague died of covid yesterday. 38yo. The second colleague who has died of covid since September. A friend contracted covid and lost her baby when she was 7 months pregnant.

Stick. To. The. Rules.

It's incredibly selfish not to. You might not suffer but others may. That's a risk I'm not willing to take.

We’re still following the rules, but once my parents have had their second vaccinations, I will be travelling to see my parents. They are both in their 80’s and want to see their grandchildren.

we're all "living"

No we're existing, it's not the same thing

@TheKeatingFive

I mean, what do you "We've given up a year of our lives, enough is enough" crowd think will happen if we lift restrictions and "go back to normal"?

Is anyone actually suggesting we all hit the nightclubs? I don’t think so.

We’re talking about seeing family and friends in small groups. Either they’ve had the vaccine or they weren’t vulnerable to begin with. Vaccine efficacy is extremely heartening. Covid is not going away, but all indications are that it’s ability to cause serious illness will be greatly diminished.

Nightclubs are opening in July aren’t they? I for one can’t wait 💃🏼

@Racoonworld

But this thread is about people giving up on the restrictions on March 23rd. (Or having stopped adhering to the rules already)

Not adhering to the restrictions for several more months.

And we've already covered that 60,000 British people have died of Covid since we began vaccinating.

And that most people are still completely unvaccinated.

You might not suffer but others may

People are suffering though, just because it isn't directly from covid, people are suffering. We need to end the mindset of only covid matters.

It's incredibly selfish not to.

How much longer do you think people should not see their elderly relatives for, for example?

@TheKeatingFive

I mean, what do you "We've given up a year of our lives, enough is enough" crowd think will happen if we lift restrictions and "go back to normal"?

Is anyone actually suggesting we all hit the nightclubs? I don’t think so.

We’re talking about seeing family and friends in small groups. Either they’ve had the vaccine or they weren’t vulnerable to begin with. Vaccine efficacy is extremely heartening. Covid is not going away, but all indications are that it’s ability to cause serious illness will be greatly diminished.

That's the set up for Lockdown 4, Right there.

[quote PrincessNutNuts]@Wondermule

If you think the economy is trashed now, and your life is not what you would choose now - even with restrictions limiting the spread, what do you think lifting the restrictions and allowing the virus free rein will do to all of our lives?

No one actually thinks we can pretend it's not happening and just "go back to normal" do they?

I mean, what do you "We've given up a year of our lives, enough is enough" crowd think will happen if we lift restrictions and "go back to normal"?
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Why don’t you tell us?

Agreed. My poor friend has secondary cancer and has not had any treatment yet. Was diagnosed in Jan. She is in her 30s. All because of Covid. Yes it is awful that people are dying of Covid clearly. But people are impacted in all sorts of ways by this. End the tunnel vision now.

[quote PrincessNutNuts]@Racoonworld

But this thread is about people giving up on the restrictions on March 23rd. (Or having stopped adhering to the rules already)

Not adhering to the restrictions for several more months.

And we've already covered that 60,000 British people have died of Covid since we began vaccinating.

And that most people are still completely unvaccinated.

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I don't think anyone one this thread (bar one maybe) has said they want to give up all restrictions on 23rd March. There is a big difference between stopping all restrictions on 23rd March, and seeing a few close family members. It shouldn't be illegal to see close family.

There are however, some people on this thread and other threads that seem to want no mixing for many more months, when actually mixing is allowed from end March, and in only three months time no restrictions at all.

That's the set up for Lockdown 4, Right there

No. If the vaccines don’t work then the government need another plan. Because locking people down forever was never a viable option. It’s over. Get your head around that.

Why would there be lockdown 4 when we have a vaccine now?

And we've already covered that 60,000 British people have died of Covid since we began vaccinating. And that most people are still completely unvaccinated.

PrincessNutNuts I see you posting so much on here and you oversimplify things so much. It comes so close to scaremongering.

Most people are still completely unvaccinated? Ok, but that doesn't summarise the situation accurately. 1/3 of people are vaccinated with one dose of a vaccine that is extremely effective. The 1/3 of people who are the most vulnerable to drying from this virus. The remaining 2/3 are at very low risk, generally speaking. Huge numbers of those, if they got the virus, would get zero symptoms or some minor ones. Some would feel shit but would be absolutely ok afterwards. The tiniest minority would die or have ongoing, serious issues. They still deserve to be vaccinated (I'm in that group. I'd like my vaccine please!) but it's not a public health issue that they are in the same way as it is with that first 1/3 of people.

That 60k people died after the vaccination programme began is very sad but so misleading if you just write it like that. The majority of those deaths happened in December, January and February and we know that the people vaccinated then either -

-picked up the virus before or just after being vaccinated when their immunity hadn't kicked in
-would have been very frail and old and statistically likely to die in the next year anyway (aka with every vaccine there are always people it sadly doesn't help)

• were people who would have been due their vaccines within a matter of weeks because of their age/what category they were in but sadly got ill before then. So there was technically a vaccine programme running but it didn't actually reach them in time - which is huge bad luck.

March is when the programme had kicked in enough for us to see a noticeable impact on deaths and thankfully, deaths have fallen really dramatically. And even then we hadn't jabbed everyone we needed to.

The way you present it makes it sound almost as if every single vaccine was carried out on day one of the programme and 60k people died anyway. That's a gross misrepresentation of reality.

*dying from this virus

Obviously I'm not aware whether the virus makes you dry up as one of its side effects

THERE IS NOTHING SELFISH ABOUT WANTING TO SEE YOUR FAMILY.

Exactly. What these people are demanding is that some elderly people will NEVER see their family again. But we are the selfish ones

@TheKeatingFive

That's the set up for Lockdown 4, Right there

No. If the vaccines don’t work then the government need another plan. Because locking people down forever was never a viable option. It’s over. Get your head around that.

If the vaccine doesn't work the government need to better fund the NHS to prevent it from being overwhelmed, in order to do that there needs to be a functioning economy which isn't going to happen if everyone is stuck at home avoiding one another

It's ridiculous being told not to see our family and friends and being dictated to about what I do in my own home. Disgusting. Making seeing the family or going to the beach illegal. Enough already.
Saw my mum last week, it was lovely.

I think a fair few will just say fuck it. I know I am supposed to go shopping soon to buy stuff I neither want or particularly need. I certainly won't be going to shops to look at anything other what is absolutely necessary if I have to wear a face mask. I would rather stay home thank you. So Witty can get stuffed. Whilst I am cautious, I see no joy in going about in public with anything stuck on my face. I can't be bothered to speak to anyone, and strangely it effects my balance and my hearing.

I have followed all the rules, and will continue to follow them. But, if its safe to open everything up, and I very much hope things get back to normal I probably won't be rushing out to mix if I still have to wear a mask.

I’m seeing my parents in a couple of weeks. Indoors.