Cyprus - from May those with 2 vaccinations can holiday freely

[VaVaGloom]

Knew it would end up a two tier travel system!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cyprus-to-allow-british-tourists-from-may-1-b922274.html

More sitting at home and sucking it up for the rest of us!

[quote VaVaGloom]**@nether* We get that it's a shock when you've previously been in a lucky, favoured group to realise that on one point you are not. But it's no more unfair than any of the many others, and it's for a much shorter time and for something non-essential. You'll be fine*

What favoured group is that then? Since last March one of my DC has only been in school Sept- to mid Dec while i’ve been wfh and homeschooling. Not my idea of fun!

We are only getting on top of this now, students are yet to return, sectors are yet to reopen - it seems very premature to allow international travel for a favoured group. We know half term skiing helped seed the first wave - should we jeopardise UK society opening up so some older people can have a week in the sun?

The likelihood that I would be fine has been extremely high throughout but I totally understood the need to curtail all our activities in a collective effort. Shouldn’t the same apply to travel?[/quote]
I would still love to be in your shoes

What makes you think that the CEV are not also juggling all the things you mention?

And living with all the shittiness of shielding, and not getting the comparative freedoms (for even when shielding paused, we were still advised not to go to indoors venues or into larger groups

I'd still swop with you like a shot!

(BTW - We won't be rushing to book a holiday btw, as only one of us will have had both jabs)

[quote VaVaGloom]**@nether* We get that it's a shock when you've previously been in a lucky, favoured group to realise that on one point you are not. But it's no more unfair than any of the many others, and it's for a much shorter time and for something non-essential. You'll be fine*

What favoured group is that then? Since last March one of my DC has only been in school Sept- to mid Dec while i’ve been wfh and homeschooling. Not my idea of fun!

We are only getting on top of this now, students are yet to return, sectors are yet to reopen - it seems very premature to allow international travel for a favoured group. We know half term skiing helped seed the first wave - should we jeopardise UK society opening up so some older people can have a week in the sun?

The likelihood that I would be fine has been extremely high throughout but I totally understood the need to curtail all our activities in a collective effort. Shouldn’t the same apply to travel?[/quote]
We (UK) AREN'T "allowing" international travel yet. The Cypriot govt are saying they'll allow people in to their country. Two different governments! Until the UK says we're allowed to go on holiday abroad, it's all irrelevant anyway.

We (UK) AREN'T "allowing" international travel yet. The Cypriot govt are saying they'll allow people in to their country. Two different governments! Until the UK says we're allowed to go on holiday abroad, it's all irrelevant anyway

Agree, and as I said in my second post we wouldn't be booking, even if allowed.

We can't stop other countries laying out their restrictions.

But the government needs to decide whether we switch to a system of 'no one permitted until all permitted' or stick with the idea that some people have more limited options than those who are safer.

If a country decides that it doesn’t want people to visit who aren’t vaccinated then that is up to them.
Who are you to tell them they can’t do that?

I will have had 2 jabs by end of May, I wouldn't travel to Cyprus, regardless of their policies, because I don't want to be stuck in a quarantine hotel for 10 days, at a cost of £1,750 on my return. I think a lot of people will feel the same.

So the kids will be in masks in schools, no practical lessons, whilst some seniors are sipping beer on a Cyprus beach?

You do realise it isn't just "seniors" who will have have two vaccine doses by then? Plenty of NHS staff and CEV people of all ages will have too - will you complain if they choose to go on holiday, or do you reserve your anger for elderly people?

@HelloMissus

If a country decides that it doesn’t want people to visit who aren’t vaccinated then that is up to them. Who are you to tell them they can’t do that?

And they already have health requirements in some places, anyway. My friend went away a couple of years ago and had to have a (private) HIV test first. Not sure if the country they went to still has this requirement. Some countries require yellow fever or other vaccination certificates. Each country can set whatever entry requirements it wants, and there's fuck all we can do apart from not go there if we don't meet the requirements.

I am aware that the UK are not allowing international travel until 17th May at the earliest. It is approaching though.

I understand Cyprus and other countries reliant on tourism will want to encourage travel but our real concern should be with our domestic recovery - could it be put in jeopardy by opening up international travel before the vaccine programme is complete?

As Cyprus thinks it's a good idea to prosecute a woman for reporting a gang rape that was actually caught on camera, I wouldn't be booking a holiday there even if it were the only place available.

Larry exactly.
I’ve been places where I’ve needed vaccinations or proof of healthcare insurance or proof of a certain amount in my bank account or a visa or my passport to be 6 months in date.

The U.K. sets all manner of restrictions about who can and can’t enter. Why should Cyprus be expected to behave differently?

we are desperate to get back to Cyprus but will not be booking straight away. I would be over the moon if we could get there in September.

We are a couple in our 50s, and will have had both vaccines by June according to the calculator, me for health condition and DH due to age.

we are going to see how things go over the summer and are not booking anything. we can book last minute we have saved money due to the lockdown, etc.

I have spent the last year terrified of this bloody virus and am just existing in my house. I have been out twice in the past year and you know what, I caught bloody Covid at Christmas, we both did and had it mildly luckily.

I have decided that this is no life, hiding in the house, scared so if we are able to get out and holiday again, at least we will some enjoyment before we die!

So the kids will be in masks in schools, no practical lessons, whilst some seniors are sipping beer on a Cyprus beach?
So fucking unfair

I agree.
And I'm an oldie.

But how will it make any difference to kids in school if some oldies go on holiday and quarantine when they return (which in May they’ll have to)?
How will that hurt you in any way whatsoever?

so many green eyed monsters

@Ultimatecougar

As Cyprus thinks it's a good idea to prosecute a woman for reporting a gang rape that was actually caught on camera, I wouldn't be booking a holiday there even if it were the only place available.

That poor woman’s treatment by the Cypriot authorities was disgusting Put me off going

Firstly the vaccine isn't approved for kids so this won't apply to children.

Secondly, what do we do? Wait until everyone is vaccinated until we get on with life?

It's hardly surprising and given how our mgmt of the pandemic (aside from the rollout of the vaccine) has been a shit show govt wise, why wouldn't countries put some sanctions in. Had we done that a year ago rather than allowing Cheltenham, the Real Madrid match and LHR to stay open, we would all be going on holiday much easier by now.

I hardly think the over 70's have had a wonderful year with shielding, not seeing family and grandchildren etc. If vaccinated and want to get on a plane then I don't begrudge them that.

This whole pandemic has been unfair to people in so many ways. Let's celebrate that some might be able to jet off rather than continue with the doom and gloom. A better spring and summer looks possible. I'm clinging to that.

@LadyGAgain

Firstly the vaccine isn't approved for kids so this won't apply to children.

Secondly, what do we do? Wait until everyone is vaccinated until we get on with life?

It's hardly surprising and given how our mgmt of the pandemic (aside from the rollout of the vaccine) has been a shit show govt wise, why wouldn't countries put some sanctions in. Had we done that a year ago rather than allowing Cheltenham, the Real Madrid match and LHR to stay open, we would all be going on holiday much easier by now.

I hardly think the over 70's have had a wonderful year with shielding, not seeing family and grandchildren etc. If vaccinated and want to get on a plane then I don't begrudge them that.

This whole pandemic has been unfair to people in so many ways. Let's celebrate that some might be able to jet off rather than continue with the doom and gloom. A better spring and summer looks possible. I'm clinging to that.

We really wouldn't "all be going on holiday much easier by now" at all. It's not just a UK problem. There is a huge list of countries on Cyprus's "red" list and a mere handful on their "green" list. The ones on the green list are the ones with pretty severe border controls (Aus, NZ, Singapore etc).

Kids will be exempt from this as there is no approved vaccine for children so everyone saying kids won't be able to travel are wrong.

If you read the bbc article is days vaccinated people can go on holiday without a negative test, implying that those who have a negative test and no vaccine can still go.

It's entirely up to Cyprus who they let in. How is this old people's fault? If you don't like it take it up with or boycott Cyprus

@Waxonwaxoff0

Kids will be exempt from this as there is no approved vaccine for children so everyone saying kids won't be able to travel are wrong.

The whole point of the vaccine passport is to minimise transmission and to hopefully prevent new variations being brought home. So I don't think that countries are happy to let those under 16 in en mass as it would defeat the whole point of the vaccine passport project.

I think it remains to be seen what the work around will be (if any). Maybe pre and post departure tests for the unvaccinated?

I'm not sure how it would work anyway. How would you prove you've had the vaccine? I've had my first dose, and the only proof I have is a handwritten card. Anyone could create one. And if I hadn't had my second dose but wanted to go anyway (I don't) I could just write the date of my second dose on the card.

It's all dependent on what this country says about entry to the UK.

I find it so hard to get worked up about this. I hope anyone who can enjoys their holiday. I will have had 2 by then, but no-one else in my family will. Meh, as the kids would say!

As a pregnant lady who was hoping for a nice baby-moon after a year of restrictions I'm gutted. I won't have had both vaccines until end of Jan next year at the earliest.

My initial thought was the same as the OP with 'how is this fair, I've sacrificed loads and then get a holiday abroad while I'm stuck at home'. But it's not their fault that Cyrus brought this in and they might as well make the most of it.

I see this is the route that most countries are going to go down and can't blame Cyprus. I also hope that we bring in something similar for tourists visiting from outside of the U.K.

I just hope this vaccine passport doesn't become a thing for activity's within the U.K.

Plus it'll be nice that the NHS staff will be able to get a nice holiday after the awful year they've had. Assuming their partners have also managed to get vaccinated.

I agree with it, if anti vaxxers moan it's their problem tbh. Cyprus wants to keep their country safe. I don't blame them. Obviously theres a select few who can't have vaccine on medical grounds and they should be allowed to go if negative test of course as decision is out of their hands.