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Why do care home staff/NHS have to be vaccinated?

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MissMarpleTheMurderer · 03/03/2021 07:44

We don't insist on other vaccinations (ie you can work on a children's ward without having the measles jab and there have been several small outbreaks recently (v small but measels is much more contagious and has a much worse outcome for children than covid does.)

The local care home has just announced that it will employ vaccinated staff only, however it already struggles to recruit and retain staff and the longest member, who does such a great job looking after my mam has just handed her resignation in as she doesn't want the jab. The care home have said she has to have it because some members of the home have chosen not to have the jab, but she says its unfair they get a choice but she doesn't, (and feels that she doesn't need the jab because she already has had covid and was fine)

Now I get that vaccinations are not 100% but the data is looking good, I feel uncomfortable forcing people to be vaccinated especially when the risk of the illness is so small to them (we don't vaccinate against Hep A or Chickenpox because the risk to people is not cost effective for the NHS, however each year people/children die from it)

Do you support forced vaccination, and if you do how do you plug the gap in social care staffing? (Especially as unlike the debate on R4, the majority of staff do not see it as their vocation, it's a job that pays the bills and a pretty crappy job/wage at that and my mam's care home is now going to have even less staff)

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partyatthepalace · 03/03/2021 22:24

In 6 months refusing the vaccine will be unusual. It will likely exclude you from a lot of jobs, stop you flying, and very possibly from going to the theatre and cinema.

So I wouldn’t worry about care home recruitment OP, people will get used to the idea soon enough.

maggiso · 03/03/2021 22:33

I think the idea it to reduce the risk of staff carrying the virus ( asymptotically ) and spreading it to the vulnerable people they care for. I thought this was why social care and front line nhs staff were prioritised, above other working adults for vaccination.

Downthefarm · 03/03/2021 22:40

It's amazing to me that so many people suddenly believe that they have taken a course in immunology. Why should immunosuppressed people in care homes have to tolerate being cared for by people who needlessly put them at risk, when employers can ensure this doesn't happen. By all means, knock yourself out, don't have the vaccine-but stay away from the rest of us.

quieterinreallife · 03/03/2021 22:41

I work in a care home and we have been strongly encouraged to have the vaccine, just like we are with the flu vaccine every year but it's not compulsory. The vaccine doesn't stop you from catching it and spreading it but it protects you from the severe effects of it. Most care home staff have or are working with covid and it is to protect themselves as much as anything.

Downthefarm · 03/03/2021 22:45

At the end of the day, I take the choice of people receiving care to be kept safe over a few people complaining that their personal liberty is compromised/they are being bullied into taking the vaccine, every time. Sometimes two people both have rights, but one person's needs takes precedence.

And anyway, I wonder how many people refusing the vaccine would continue to do so if the rest of us didn't lower the risk for them by having it ourselves.

MuckyPlucky · 03/03/2021 22:51

@Downthefarm

It's amazing to me that so many people suddenly believe that they have taken a course in immunology. Why should immunosuppressed people in care homes have to tolerate being cared for by people who needlessly put them at risk, when employers can ensure this doesn't happen. By all means, knock yourself out, don't have the vaccine-but stay away from the rest of us.
THIS
EBearhug · 03/03/2021 22:51

Measles hasn't been a contributing factor or the cause of death for millions of people worldwide at any time in living memory.

Yes it has. It was consistently in the top 5 until the last decade or so, which is living memory for anyone who no longer a child. And the reason it no longer kills like it used to is because of mass vaccination.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 04/03/2021 01:09

@StarCat2020

Sorry maybe I am getting sceptical in my old age but something about this thread doesn't ring true.
Couldn't agree more!!!

I don't think her own medical decisions should be part of the duty of care, especially as the wages are so poor

What does that have to do with anything, they're not being asked to pay for the vaccine.

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