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To think it's borderline inhumane to tell the elderly they can't mix after vaccine?

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Jouets · 26/02/2021 11:29

Just the title really. I'm aware we've all 'lost' a year of our lives but if you're younger, you have (most likely) a lot of time ahead. But it breaks my heart that it's still illegal for me to see my elderly grandparents inside.

I do it anyway (vaccinated, three weeks past, at their request) as they've both said they're not willing to waste anymore time when a) they've been vaccinated which they've said was the whole "end goal" all along to make them safe and b) they don't want to live like this anymore.

Surely if vaccines cut risk of transmission and death, it's borderline inhumane to tell vaccinated elderly people who are over the 'average' life expectancy that they are to carry on with this very limiting life, when they may not have years left anyway?

Maybe I'm just being emotional.

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Mif4 · 26/02/2021 15:18

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WombatChocolate · 26/02/2021 15:21

There is a question of fairness in applying restrictions too.

Not everyone can have the jab first. It will take months until everyone has had it. Should those who haven’t (twenties and children) still have to isolate and obey rules that older people who have been chosen to have it first do t have to obey?

From a practical view point and enforcement the rules need to apply to everyone. It isn’t possible for shopkeepers to ask everyone coming in their age and if they’ve been vaccinated, to determine if they should wear a mask. A lot of it is also about practicality and common sense for actually carrying it out. People need to see the bigger picture and not just think about themselves.

twelly · 26/02/2021 15:25

I personally think I'd they want to mix in their own house with others that is their choose their risk but they shouldn't be out and about putting pressure on space or shopping with anymore that than the sole individual. What I find particularly irritating is the middle class elderly who complain about the " young" mixing whilst at the same time breaking regulations as they believe that somehow are breaking regulations responsibly.

CoffeeandCroissant · 26/02/2021 15:27

@OnceUponAThread Aah, okay, apologies, misunderstood what you were saying.

OnceUponAThread · 26/02/2021 15:32

@CoffeeandCroissant I explained myself badly in my irritation at the thread. 😬😬😬

Iliketeaagain · 26/02/2021 15:34

What would be in humane is opening up society for those who've been vaccinated while everyone else is still restricted when the vaccine has not been made widely available for everyone who wants it yet.

Especially as others have said, those who are not vulnerable have put their lives on hold and lost money, jobs, business, education to protect both the NHS and those who were vulnerable (remember the "protect your granny" slogan that was in the media).

If the message was that those who were vaccinated could ease restrictions, everyone else who was lower risk and hasn't been offered a vaccine yet would stop paying attention to them.

Hedwigtheowl · 26/02/2021 15:42

My view is coloured by my experience. I feel that we’ve locked down to keep the elderly safe. I’ve shopped for my elderly neighbours, taken round little gifts and helped in any way I could.

Now they’ve had the vaccine, they are out socialising and having a grand old time. No question of them staying home to protect others.

unmarkedbythat · 26/02/2021 15:44

if you were hoping to whip up some sympathy for "the elderly" with your post, I would suggest you've managed to succeed in achieving the complete opposite

Absolutely this!

twelly · 26/02/2021 19:13

Letting the elderly mix is fine if they choose to in their own circle of friends at their own risk, in my view the rest of the population should have been allowed to mix whilst the elderly stayed inside.

BabyElephant2 · 26/02/2021 19:17

Completely agree.. but I also believe that anyone who doesn’t want to hide away shouldn’t have to. By all means let the vulnerable/scared hide away until they have the jab but for people who don’t want it anyway why can’t we take the risk and let us and the vaccinated carry on as normal!

reginafalange2020 · 26/02/2021 19:21

I see your point OP but everyone has their struggles whether they are old or young.

We all just need to keep going and stick to the rules or we will never see the end of this shit show. Hopefully it won't be for much longer

StarCat2020 · 26/02/2021 20:34

I also believe that anyone who doesn’t want to hide away shouldn’t have to
I don't have much choice but to stay in.

I have applied for a ridiculous amount of jobs over the past year and have got nowhere.

I cannot afford to look forward to anything now

WhiteChocTwix · 26/02/2021 20:38

My DF is in a care home, has had the vaccine and he was fine. I hope once the rest of the family is done, by the time we get to 30-39, come his summer birthday, we can get him out into the world to celebrate. He's not what he was after being lockdown for so long.

StarCat2020 · 26/02/2021 21:51

come his summer birthday, we can get him out into the world to celebrate. He's not what he was after being lockdown for so long
That sounds like a sensible plan and hopefully he will have had his second jab by then!!

wanderings · 26/02/2021 22:13

Hopefully it won't be for much longer
Hopefully it won't be for much longer
Hopefully it won't be for much longer
Hopefully it won't be for much longer
Hopefully it won't be for much longer
So we heard in March last year, June, September, December; will we be hearing the same again on June 21st? "Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease believe me, it won't be for much longer, just another year......"

"It's only a year" is not a long time to an elderly person. For a five-year-old, it is 20% of their LIFE. Children have had to put an inhumanely large percentage of their little lives on hold. And it won't be over for them when Saint Boris finally ends his extremely slow constipation, pulls his finger out and ends lockdown - the young are going to be totally screwed by his lockdowns for years, if not decades to come.

PracticingPerson · 26/02/2021 22:16

@oakleaffy

Who else is sick to death of the stupid term BUBBLE 😬

Yes me!! Sick of the word.

On the main point - don't grandparents want to help get cases down so their grandchildren can enjoy school more etc?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 26/02/2021 22:24

my in-laws - mid 70s - live in a McCarthy & Stone apartment on the south coast. There's about 30 apartments in their block and every person in them has been vaccinated - some twice.

Today they've been all been reminded that the communal area remains closed for the foreseeable future and that they are not allowed to visit or mix with each other.

bit harsh...

StarCat2020 · 26/02/2021 22:32

they've been all been reminded that the communal area remains closed for the foreseeable future
M & S might be scared off potential legal liabilities arising from them using this space and someone getting infected.

Of course I assume M & S are giving them a partial refund on their service charge as they cannot use one of the services that they have paid for??

they are not allowed to visit or mix with each other
Strictly speaking neither are any of us but M & S are being a bit naughty acting like they enforce the rules on individual households.

reginafalange2020 · 26/02/2021 22:44

@wanderings

Hopefully it won't be for much longer Hopefully it won't be for much longer Hopefully it won't be for much longer Hopefully it won't be for much longer Hopefully it won't be for much longer So we heard in March last year, June, September, December; will we be hearing the same again on June 21st? "Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease believe me, it won't be for much longer, just another year......"

I have 3 very young children trust me I know the impact it's had on them!!

We didn't have a vaccine in March, June, sept last year! We have them now so yes I do believe that if people just stick to the rules "hopefully it won't be for much longer!!" But it will be a lot longer if people don't think the rules apply to them!

ragged · 26/02/2021 23:49

I don't think it was ever illegal in USA to mix households. Guidance not to do it, but not illegal.

Now people in USA are being told that if everyone present is 2x vaccinated, then it's "minimal risk" to socialise together -- ie, theres no guidance not to do it now. I wonder what's happening in Hong Kong or Spain etc. about indoor mixing after jab rules.

MouthAche · 26/02/2021 23:52

So they have had both vaccines?

And all visitors too?

MouthAche · 26/02/2021 23:53

These posts never end well
They are on here all the time !
Its becoming boring

You do you, i’ll do me !!!

TingTastic · 27/02/2021 00:00

There’s no way you can start creating different rules for people who are lower risk because they’ve been vaccinated.

What about all the people that are lower risk because they are younger? Why wouldn’t there have been different rules for them all along?

DenisetheMenace · 27/02/2021 00:03

I understand how you feel but you really should wait until you’ve all had both doses.

teachermummy1 · 27/02/2021 00:10

Society dropped everything to lock down for the elderly. If they were then given special privileges, whilst the rest of us were stuck inside 'protecting' them there would be a riot.
My 16 year old would be fuming. She's at such a tiny risk of being ill but she's had to give up her education, exams, friends and life for them. She's been low mood and bored stiff for months. I saw her spark up for the first time when Boris announced the roadmap and festivals.
The elderly folk glare at her and are horribly rude in public so that doesn't exactly help their case

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