aibu to think people have forgotten what lockdown was for / that life is not 100 per cent safe

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It has come to a point /coming to a point soon where we now have to learn to live with covid thanks to fab vaccination programme.
All this talk of schools not being ' safe '
They absolutely are safe for the majority of children/teachers.
Cars are not ' safe ' but a lot of people get them in them every day .

We can not carry on like this forever .
We have to live.
Our children need to go back to school.
We need to have a running economy for our kids future.

Lockdown was to stop the NHS totally collapsing. Not for people to ' stay safe ' and not to stop people getting this infection all together

We’re all battle weary and bruised but we’re coming out the other side and some people can’t or won’t accept that. I’ve had to send my DS to school the whole time whilst I work in another school and the shit I have received on this site for it, some posters even going so far as to say he’d die.

some posters even going so far as to say he’d die.
That is absolutely disgusting. I'm so sorry

Yes, it was “3 weeks to flatten the curve”.

We will have restrictions in place for nearly 500 days.

The average age of people who have died with Covid (not necessarily from Covid) is over average life expectancy and it’s a 1% death rate.

Death is part of life.

Death is part of life.

I'm grieving and reading that is obscene. Yes we all die but so many people have been taken too soon.

What else do you want

To get my life (partly) back before 21st June? (Still no guarantees about international travel, social distancing and mask wearing after that)

One in three adults already vaccinated - what the fuck are we waiting for?

@GoldenGumballs I completely agree your point on trivialisation. I have 2 family members who have directly been affected. I also have a friend, mid thirties, who fully trivialised the virus. She had Covid badly, was hospitalised for 3 days and now has a completely different view. I agree with everything the government are advising, a cautious approach as we come out of lockdown. There are new strains arising, mutations, people forget that 1 in 3 cases are symptomless. There are various things that are still unknown about the virus - one of my family members was a child who suffered a PIMS type reaction to the virus. I wish you and your family the very best x

Unfortunately the governments “Project Fear” worked too well

Completely. I think I’m a fairly rational person, and am desperate to get back to normality, but I still get pangs of fear when I think about catching it (I’m pregnant so won’t be able to get the vaccine until the end of the year). I think we’ve all been so conditioned to be fearful that it’s quite hard to reframe it.

@spillanelle - sorry, the governments project fear?? What should they have done differently then? Which comparable European country has got this right?

Wow, @HermioneWeasley. That was a cold and unfeeling thing to say. I imagine that writing off those 121,747 lost human lives is easy enough, so long as none of them are your loved ones.

Give your heart a wobble.

One of my teacher friends is banging on about it daily. She seems to assume that if she gets covid, she will definitely die (she has no underlying conditions)

121000 deaths in UK is dismissed as ‘Project Fear’ and ‘Death is Part of Life’ is obscene - I’m so sorry @Bilgepumper

@Fembot123

We’re all battle weary and bruised but we’re coming out the other side and some people can’t or won’t accept that. I’ve had to send my DS to school the whole time whilst I work in another school and the shit I have received on this site for it, some posters even going so far as to say he’d die.

The coronavirus topic on here is absolutely toxic and overwhelmingly negative. Bit late now, but the coronavirusuk topic on reddit has really good data about cases and vaccines daily, news updates and some chat threads.. much more realistic and civil than the hysterical doom on here.

The thing that annoys me the most about all of this, is that the people that covid is most likely to affect and make seriously ill, are those who were at just as much risk from the flu.

The measures my CEV family members have had to take are pretty much the same as before all of this. I wouldnt visit them if I had any sign of illness, they would avoid me and anyone else who had any illness as best they could.

The governments plan all along was to prevent hospitals overflowing, but so many people have jumped on to save everyone. Where was this level of care for the CEV before covid?

@Silverthorny everything about the governments approach has been designed to scare people into staying at home, rather than trusting people with the truth (which is that the risk to most people is tiny but that a small percentage of a large population adds up to an unmanageable number of patients). I’m not saying that we shouldn’t have had restrictions in place to protect the vulnerable, I’ve always supported that, but the messaging has convinced young and healthy people that they’re likely to end up hospitalised with it, and I think that was by design and is completely wrong and will have massive long term consequences to mental health.

Exactly @TheChip vulnerable people die from flu and pneumonia and norovirus every winter and the hospitals are always at breaking point every winter.

Cancer is going undiagnosed and untreated, women are giving birth alone, children’s education is being destroyed - the government are pondering how to recover the producvity gap caused by kids missing a year of education, country’s mental health in crisis, suicide attempts are at an all time high and we haven’t even started to feel the economic impact as its being largely obscured by furlough. But if you care about anything but Covid you’re heartless apparently.

@Spillanelle - my mid thirties fit and healthy friend was hospitalised for 3 days? My ten year old niece was hospitalised with a PIMS type reaction?
@HermioneWeasley my mum has had cancer treatment and can’t get her final operation because the hospital is treating Covid patients. It’s FAR worse than seasonal flu - www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/is-covid-more-deadly-and-contagious-than-seasonal-flu

I completely agree with you OP.

This is the downside to the New Zealand and Australia zero Covid goals (I’m in Australia). The state premiers here have been in competition to see who can be the most aggressive against Covid and have told the population that their ridiculous snap border closures and lockdowns for a few cases are the only things stopping us from being the US or UK. Most people are lapping it up while the few of us engaging our brains in some critical thinking are told we are irresponsible and ‘want people dead’.

One day we’ll need to open international border and stop hotel quarantine (30% of Australians were born overseas). The message will need to drastically change. There will be Covid in the community. Some people will get sick and a few will die. We’ll just have to accept this. We can’t keep borders shut once everyone has been offered a vaccine to stop every single Covid death.

And all those things you’ve described - economy, mental health etc will be FAR worse if we are faced with yet another lockdown if people don’t exercise caution.

I completely agree, but honestly I don't believe this will ever end.

This tool is really useful in helping to understand the relative risk to each individual - www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/how-to-find-out-your-risk-when-it-comes-to-coronavirus

There weren’t many people on here screaming “schools are safe” in the last week of term in December.

Schools are no different now. No extra funds, no extra safety measures apart from a few lateral flow tests. Still plenty of group 6 7 8 9 teachers who haven’t yet had a vaccine and still have a long wait. I don’t understand the change in attitude on this thread as there really haven’t been many changes on the ground.

100%. People have the fear and the fear is wrong. This was never about protecting the individual and their circumstances. Never. It's a huge balancing act.

People have totally succumbed to the fear of dying of covid and totally forgotten that death is part of life and that there are huge death factors in lockdown etc.

Also people talking about work and life being safe, or risk free. It never has or will be.

This isn't this only thing that affects our health or a factor in our dying. We all die. If it's from covid yeah that sucks but no more than from cancer, car accidents,murder etc.

@unchienandalusia - to say death is part of life, it’s really not easy/comforting to hear that when you have family members directly affected. Particularly when it was a child, and we didn’t know the outcome. If anyone had said that to me 2 weeks ago, I would have...well I’m not sure what I would have done to them. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-children-hospitals-intensive-care-pims-b1796419.html%3famp

@Lemons1571

There weren’t many people on here screaming “schools are safe” in the last week of term in December.

Schools are no different now. No extra funds, no extra safety measures apart from a few lateral flow tests. Still plenty of group 6 7 8 9 teachers who haven’t yet had a vaccine and still have a long wait. I don’t understand the change in attitude on this thread as there really haven’t been many changes on the ground.

My attitude is the same now as it was in December. I was fine with DS being at school at all times.