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Indoor mixing by the 17th of May? Did I hear that right?

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MargaritasAndFajitas · 22/02/2021 15:55

Just that really.

Just watching BJs statement and I was honestly shocked to hear this. I really didn't think this would be mentioned at all. I thought it would be the absolute bottom of the list!

Assuming things continue to go well, I'm personally thrilled if this does happen. I'm desperate to see my family! Both parents have been ill and they don't live close, so an outdoor meet would be impractical.

Anyway, just wanted to check I heard that correctly...

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Delatron · 22/02/2021 19:34

And also on a personal level some people may be weighing up visiting (vaccinated family) who may not have long left to live.

I don’t know what I will do but I won’t judge those that see family.

earthyfire · 22/02/2021 19:39

I will be seeing family sooner, most of mine have had the vaccine I'm the only one who has yet. Once children go back I won't be waiting. I've done my time now.

Oblomov21 · 22/02/2021 20:46

I agree about the critical thinking : the jacuzzi v seeing your mum indoors is odd. Surely only economic?

dreamingbohemian · 22/02/2021 21:00

I'm also not judging people who bend the rules a bit to see family in difficult circumstances. It's the people saying forget all the rules, not bothering at all anymore, who I think are being reckless.

Racoonworld · 22/02/2021 21:04

Yes there’s a big difference between seeing you mum a couple of times inside and having a party.

Ledkr · 22/02/2021 21:12

With the kids back its so important for people to stick to the rules to stop numbers going up and everyone else suffering.
Like a pp said though i think the schools opening will be a green flag for many people to mix prematurely.

MrsFezziwig · 22/02/2021 21:13

Cases are no longer a consideration for the government when implementing the roadmap.

So why does the third measure state: general transmission rates low enough (low risk of sudden surge). How would they measure that except by case numbers?

MessAllOver · 22/02/2021 21:19

My parents live 4 hours drive away. Being able to meet in the garden for a cup of tea is not hugely useful for us.

MrsFezziwig · 22/02/2021 21:28

I’m trying to understand the reasons behind the road map and assess risk of the different activities.

It’s purely an economic decision to stop families meeting indoors as it’s more important for the government to get businesses going.

So you’ve answered your own question then? I’m sure many people who have lost jobs, houses, any chance of a decent future in the short term think it’s more important for the government to get businesses going than for you to see your family.

Delatron · 22/02/2021 21:35

Yes that’s exactly what I said. That’s why we can’t see family as the economy is more important and thus prioritised.

But that argument is less persuasive to many than ‘don’t kill granny’ isn’t it?

Save the NHS. Then save the economy. Then a year later maybe see your mum inside. I just don’t think compliance will be that high come Easter.

captainnoir · 22/02/2021 21:38

@Donoteatthekittens

I’ll be seeing my parents indoors thanks. Of course, I’ll have a newborn baby so it will be “legally” allowed.

Out of curiosity, "legal" or not. Do you not fear possible transmission to your newborn?

Katie517 · 22/02/2021 22:37

All the people talking about cases skyrocketing they have said several times today they are not using cases as one of the measures unless they think it will overwhelm the NHS. Everyone vulnerable will be vaccinated so healthy young people catching Covid will not overwhelm the NHS

Bubbinsmakesthree · 22/02/2021 22:41

@KingAlex

The government doesn't expect everyone to follow the rules, just enough to keep numbers low.

Choose your camps people. Personally I'll be meeting with low risk and vaccinated friends and family! I'm sick of people trying to tell others what to do.

So basically you’re expecting most people to follow the rules to allow you to break them?

Nice attitude.

Bubbinsmakesthree · 22/02/2021 22:45

Other than the economic rationale the reason that pubs, shops, gyms etc go ahead of household mixing indoors is that evidence suggests that household mixing in homes is the source of more transmission as people relax and don’t social distance. It’s not as baffling as it seems.

Racoonworld · 22/02/2021 22:49

@Delatron

Yes that’s exactly what I said. That’s why we can’t see family as the economy is more important and thus prioritised.

But that argument is less persuasive to many than ‘don’t kill granny’ isn’t it?

Save the NHS. Then save the economy. Then a year later maybe see your mum inside. I just don’t think compliance will be that high come Easter.

I actually think there will be high compliance. The road map is actually sensible and gives clear dates of when things could ease. Outdoor meet-ups in groups allowed from end of March, when weather will be warmer, so most people will stick with that. There will be some people who have family far away and will break it but that will be a minority. If the weather is good many people will be happy to stick outside for a few months.

stayathomer · 23/02/2021 09:49

As in ages and not acceptable for most who haven’t seen family for a very long time.
This jumped out at me. I think it's the opposite- those of us who haven't seen our families since jan/feb 20 are more likely to accept and adhere whereas people who've gotten to see their families are saying no to may or planning on breaking.

Dongdingdong · 23/02/2021 09:57

To all those saying it’s too far away, why not just break the rules?

herecomesthsun · 23/02/2021 10:05

@Katie517

Not everyone vulnerable is vaccinated,for various reasons, even in Groups 1-4.

Groups 5-9 have in parge part not been vaccinated yet.

There are younger people who don't know they are vulnerable (undiagnosed diabetes,undiagnosed high blood pressure or heart conditions).

People who have had pneumonia in the past may have a vulnerability of which they aren't aware.

Pregnant women are vulnerable and won't have been vaccinated.

Even people who are vaccinated have a (smaller) risk of infection and a small risk of serious illness. There is a degree of risk there, especially ifthere are large numbers of people getting infected.

The really positive thing is that they are doing this in stages and with constant monitoring. So they can take action if needed. Hopefully without having to go back steps. Hopefully without too much illness or loss of life.

I thought the most positive thing from last night was that it was so realistic and addressed the real problems (thank you Prof Whitty) not just saying we were going to be world beating etc etc. without any intelligent discussion how we were going to move forward.

And now it is a sunny day here and I feel very optimistic that we have a chance of a very good spring and summer.

stayathomer · 23/02/2021 10:41

And now it is a sunny day here and I feel very optimistic that we have a chance of a very good spring and summer.
We're stormy today but loving the spring si far, it's world changing, isn't it!

herecomesthsun · 23/02/2021 10:52

I haven't got my head around this yet, but I have a DC who has a birthday second half of May. I am not setting his hopes up, but he would be ecstatic if he could have some sort of little birthday celebration with his mates. (obviously all our plans for him got cancelled last year, although he was very good about it and very content with the little at-home celebration he had ).

SmidgenofaPigeon · 23/02/2021 11:00

Sucks about not being allowed to stay in a hotel overnight until 17th May as I’d do that to see my family outside over a couple of days and just stay in a premier inn. I don’t get what would be so dangerous about that when on the 12th I could go to the gym, get my nails done, and go to the hairdressers!

My friend has a flat in my hometown that she says she will kindly vacate for a a couple of days and stay with her boyfriend, so I will be staying there and seeing family members outside over a weekend after the 12th April. Still seems a long wait but better than nothing.

PregnantGotCovid · 23/02/2021 11:28

@earthyfire

I will be seeing family sooner, most of mine have had the vaccine I'm the only one who has yet. Once children go back I won't be waiting. I've done my time now.

This attitude genuinely baffles me. Every single one of us is in the same situation. We've all "done our time". What makes you so special? Do you realise that if we all take that attitude, we all be back in lockdown soon?

PregnantGotCovid · 23/02/2021 11:38

@NovemberR @korawick12345

It is because of schools opening that we need to keep to other rules for longer. The government has often said they wanted to prioritise getting all kids back to a school.

Schools opening is not an excuse to start doing as you please.

Gendercritic · 23/02/2021 17:45

@Brokenrecord3006

Most people I know are starting to mix indoors now, having assumed that restrictions would be lifted in a few weeks. I highly doubt a lot of people are going to wait much longer.

Really? What selfish people. My husband has diabetes and a heart condition but hasn't been vaccinated yet due to his age. There will be so many others like him and their lives are all being put at risk by the people you know who are already mixing.

Dontknowanymore2 · 23/02/2021 17:51

Exactly!!! Miles a way. I cannot for the life of me understand why two household can met together on the same day pubs, restaurants etc open. There is no comparison. I am desperate to spend time with my granddaughter. Our house is just me and my husband he doesn't go anywhere. Seems rediculous to have to wait so long, and he's treating it the same as pubs etc!!!!

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