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Looks like the plans are now leaked.

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pinkhappy · 21/02/2021 22:28

The Times seems to have leaked the plans now. I for one will be very happy if children's outdoor sport starts on March 8.

March 8:
Schools
Kids outdoor sport
Golf + Tennis

Early April:
🛍Non-essential retail
Outdoor pubs + restaurants

Mid April:
Gyms

May:
Cinemas + Theatre
Indoor pubs + restaurants

August:
Foreign holidays
Clubs

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WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 22/02/2021 00:08

[quote SpencerGregson]@PinkFondantFancy another entirely unscientific anecdote from the SE
of no cases in my 3DC's school and no need to isolate.
[/quote]
You have no idea how many school staff or parents got it though. Not many schools were routinely testing kids. If you don't test, you don't know, so it's easy to say it wasn't transmitted because kids were mixing at school.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 22/02/2021 00:09

I'm trying to organise a 100th birthday party, for a particularly gregarious birthday girl who has been planning this for about 5 years... (she'll have had both jabs, and we take a quality over quantity view on her life at this point)

I can't work out where private parties fit into all this at all, though we'd plan to hire a venue. Sigh.

EasterIssland · 22/02/2021 00:10

@AvocadosBeforeMortgages

I'm trying to organise a 100th birthday party, for a particularly gregarious birthday girl who has been planning this for about 5 years... (she'll have had both jabs, and we take a quality over quantity view on her life at this point)

I can't work out where private parties fit into all this at all, though we'd plan to hire a venue. Sigh.

Doubt things like this will be allowed in a long time
VinylDetective · 22/02/2021 00:11

@Watchingbehindmyhands

They are. Where have you been for the last month?

My area is still CEV. No sign of CV yet. Many school staff come under that category and are not yet vaccinated.

And many schoolchildren are vulnerable. What about them?

How many deaths of school age children have there been? As a pp said 88% of the most vulnerable are vaccinated already.
3littlewords · 22/02/2021 00:11

but the most vulnerable are not yet vaccinated
Oh but they are, all have been offered a first jab which most have taken, offering a significant amount of immunity in that one shot with it being topped up to maximin efficiency soon
Or do you deem the most vulnerable set of people different to who the scientists deem the most vulnerable?

RedToothBrush · 22/02/2021 00:11

In terms of new variants, we should start having a new adapted vaccine available around August.

At present we think the vaccine at least offers SOME immunity even against the SA mutation, but we are not sure to what degree. This may at less reduce transmission, cases and hospitalisations.

We still do not know how long immunity lasts and when we will need top ups. Most likely we will need to think about this in the autumn for the most vulnerable anyway.

We are unlikely to get a mutation which is much more viralent and even if we do, it takes time for it to spread to a degree where it is a problem (and the vaccine is likely to slow this process in the uk anyway - the issue is more from variants developing outside the uk, which is why international vaccine rollout is so important.

I'm not unduly concerned about this. Experts dont appear to be warning of major issues or this being beyond their expectations (its in line with them) and i dont see any panicking from those quarters.

Yes it's a concern but its not my biggest concern.

My biggest concern is case rates skyrocketing in the weeks immediately after schools reopen and that leading to hospitalisations (and therefore problems) when the hospitals are still more full now than they should be.

Thats the primary risk. Not the variant risk.

Thats what we need to watch for most. An increase in hospitalisations (if this happens it wont be apparent in the data until after Easter because of the lag effect - by which time rule of 6 will already be operational).

That's your danger point.

After End April / Start of May this risk shpuld 'fall off a cliff' simply because of the vaccination role out, but i do think there is effectively a 'gap' in the plan of around 3 to 4 weeks which will leave some deeply exposed. (and thats why my prefered option was to hold on for two more werks til 22nd March).

Im far less concerned about the Autumn right now. Its in planning and not pressing as an issue. The risk assessment puts it lower down than the 'gap in the plan'.

AnxietyDrivingMyLife · 22/02/2021 00:13

What about office workers? Are we expected back at work?

RedToothBrush · 22/02/2021 00:14

@AnxietyDrivingMyLife

What about office workers? Are we expected back at work?
Not for the forseeable.

Its going to be continue to work from home for sometime apparently.

rawalpindithelabrador · 22/02/2021 00:15

Good! This is getting ridiculous.

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SpencerGregson · 22/02/2021 00:18

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants
No staff either.

Multicover · 22/02/2021 00:18

‘To have all adults offered a vaccination by July. 3 weeks to be effective means AUGUST. Not March/April.

5 months is a LING time fir the virus to do its thing & cause mayhem in the hospitals & morgues.’

Young healthy people without underlying health conditions are not going to cause mayhem in hospitals and morgues. STOP with the bloody hysterics Hmm

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 22/02/2021 00:18

@LimitIsUp

8 March is just 3 weeks prior to the Easter holidays. A natural firebreak and the opportunity to assess implications of school reopening for the R rate
Exactly 2-3 weeks until Easter, so why not keave returning to school until then and get the numbers much lower. & give track & trace a fighting chance!????
VinylDetective · 22/02/2021 00:20

so why not keave returning to school until then and get the numbers much lower. & give track & trace a fighting chance!????

Because it’s not necessary.

HalzTangz · 22/02/2021 00:20

The Times, just like any paper are making educated guesses, BoJo can change his mind 50 times before the announcement tomorrow, and still change his mind after the announcement. Personally I'm taking each day as it comes rather than banking on this happening on this day, and that on another day, just to find out nope they've decided the cases to high still and reverting back to to lock down. In short, I trust BoJo not one iota, and I trust the press (all of them) even less lol

SpencerGregson · 22/02/2021 00:20

Because that means children won't return to school for another 8 weeks and they've already been off too long??

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 22/02/2021 00:20

@nevernotstruggling

Meanwhile schools have been operating this whole lockdown with lots at around 50% capacity.
Nope. That's not right, it's around 15%
colouringindoors · 22/02/2021 00:21

All kids, all schools 😱😱😱

MercyBooth · 22/02/2021 00:21

Those who think there will be another lockdown by July. Do you really think the Government will say no to the Royal Family. They have an event planned on the 1st July to commemorate what would have been Princess Dianas 60th birthday

AlwaysLatte · 22/02/2021 00:21

So are schools going back before shops? How do we get them kitted out?

EasterIssland · 22/02/2021 00:22

@MercyBooth

Those who think there will be another lockdown by July. Do you really think the Government will say no to the Royal Family. They have an event planned on the 1st July to commemorate what would have been Princess Dianas 60th birthday
Wasnt last year rhe troup the colour or whatever is called cancelled ?
SpencerGregson · 22/02/2021 00:23

@MercyBooth Given that VE events had to be substantially changed, I am sure they will say no.

Would she really have been 60?! I feel so old!

snowballer · 22/02/2021 00:24

@HalzTangz

The Times, just like any paper are making educated guesses, BoJo can change his mind 50 times before the announcement tomorrow, and still change his mind after the announcement. Personally I'm taking each day as it comes rather than banking on this happening on this day, and that on another day, just to find out nope they've decided the cases to high still and reverting back to to lock down. In short, I trust BoJo not one iota, and I trust the press (all of them) even less lol
This isn't an educated guess - this has been briefed to the press. It's what will be in the announcement tomorrow.
PastMyBestBeforeDate · 22/02/2021 00:27

My parents and I were vaccinated in January. I have been shielding. My children and DH are at home. The teenager saw someone last weekend for a walk.
If the DC are back to school on the 8th, we don't see anyone between now and then, surely the 7th March will be the safest time for us to see them? We last saw them in August.

nevernotstruggling · 22/02/2021 00:31

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants that's interesting. I'm a governor and it's just under 50% across the whole academy group....

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