Page 6 | I genuinely don't get why people are so offended by small rule breaks at this point

Flower234 · 2021-02-21T12:03:33+00:00

I'm not trying to be goady and this is not a thread about a thread, but inspired by admittedly So basically, 1/3 or there abouts (maybe more?) have had first vaccine which we now KNOW reduces transmission. Everything is trending downwards. We've been doing this for a year- Many of us are financially, mentally and emotionally drained, but things are looking up. It's safer than it's been in a while, and it's time to consider 'opening up. I'm not anti-lockdown, but I am pro proportionate covid restrictions with the minimum restrictions to liberty necessary. That said, how do some people genuinely take time out of their day to have a go at people for the tiniest rule breaks which will make NO impact or very little impact on transmission? Like a single person going to a second home, someone meeting two people outside instead of one, someone driving an hour to meet a partner they haven't seen in four months for a walk... All genuine examples I've seen people go irate over [confused] It scares me how quickly people will cite "the rules," even if they are nonsensical. Some of my 'friends' would scream at me for meeting two people outside today but if the gov said you could meet thirty people indoors tomorrow legally, would go to a house party no question. I suppose my question is does anyone else feel like people use "because the government made it a rule" as a reason to control and rebuke others, without any aspect of critical thinking or actual science? They're not scared of covid- They don't care about transmission. They just like the powertrip. Does anyone else feel they know a lot of people like this?

Stratfordplace · 21/02/2021 18:20

I have always though that someone could still be contagious after catching Covid for longer than the 10 days after symptoms first appear. I know a family who were out and about 7 days after testing positive as they counted the 3 days before they took a test.
I’m no scientist nor am I medically qualified but two weeks would have been more cautious surely.

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 21/02/2021 18:21

My DD got screamed at today by a man when they were out for a walk with her uni flatmates (5 altogether) she was mildly shaken, he was very aggressive.
All they were doing is walking through the park chatting. In their flat bubble. In a uni city!
People need to just look at themselves for making the correct decisions

whiskybysidedoor · 21/02/2021 18:32

Some people are very militant but you can’t really do anything about that.

However very small rule break adds up. I feel a bit crap about the people who have lost everything financially and others who have lost loved ones. It’s nothing to you to break the rules but I bet it hurts when you see people do it if you’ve lost so much. Our roads are busy, very busy it’s not all people going to the supermarket.

One thing I’ve noticed going on amongst friends and family is that the normally mild mannered and calm are really starting to hate other people. The Il do what I want and society won’t do anything attitude that people think they are getting away with now I don’t think will continue. I think there’s going to be a silent swing to more right wing attitudes and people will get a shock when the populace won’t approve more socialist policies. They’ve seen what gets thrown back in their face.

Gerberageri · 21/02/2021 20:12

Oh lord, are you my neighbour? The one who has parties, has her (various) family over and goes out every day as a group instead of one other person?

"That said, how do some people genuinely take time out of their day to have a go at people for the tiniest rule breaks which will make NO impact or very little impact on transmission?"

First of all you don't know the impact. That's the whole point. No-one thinks they're going to give covid to someone, but there we have it, it's all over the world.

As for taking the time out of the day? My neighbour drives me bonkers. I wfh as a keyworker for a whole year and my (fold out, rsi inducing) desk is by the front window because there are 4 of us at home for ages. I would love not to see her, but she's always bloody out talking to someone, going somewhere or having visitors. By their nature people breaking the rules are a bit in your face. And even if they think it's behind closed doors, it's probably going to be annoying someone.

Like most people I've had the shittest year, I've lost a relative, I've had my eyes open and seen the misery so don't see why people doing what they want shouldn't deal with the responsibility of people thinking they're an idiot.

Gerberageri · 21/02/2021 20:16

Also re: my neighbour. I'm sure the people she meets up with don't realise that their household contacts are in the hundreds if you added together the chain of nanny, 3 x external family members, friends, friends children and husband working away from home (private sector with reputation for bad standards) and who all those people come into contact with. So I do think people need to be careful.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 21/02/2021 20:27

I noticed today more groups of a older people were out lots stopping to chat also a group of 4 at a picnic bench having a coffee. They've probably all been vaccinated so good for them. However, teen DD raised an eyebrow at this saying if her and her mates did were doing this those very same people would be berating the for selfishness.

tarapinn · 21/02/2021 21:39

We've been breaking the rules slightly for weeks now. Not in a big way, eg ds seeing his gf ( they've both had covid), going into a friends kitchen to meet their new puppy, dd's 17th she had one friend over for a sleepover, supermarket most days etc. I also work for the nhs on a busy ward so meet lots of people.

None of us has caught covid from it.

Now I know people will say we've just been lucky blah blah but I swear people think transmission is GUARANTEED to happen just because you break the 'rules' or meet 2 friends for a dog walk instead of 1.

It's really not so I agree with you op.

PinkTonic · 21/02/2021 21:56

@tarapinn

We've been breaking the rules slightly for weeks now. Not in a big way, eg ds seeing his gf ( they've both had covid), going into a friends kitchen to meet their new puppy, dd's 17th she had one friend over for a sleepover, supermarket most days etc. I also work for the nhs on a busy ward so meet lots of people.

None of us has caught covid from it.

Now I know people will say we've just been lucky blah blah but I swear people think transmission is GUARANTEED to happen just because you break the 'rules' or meet 2 friends for a dog walk instead of 1.

It's really not so I agree with you op.

I also work for the nhs on a busy ward so meet lots of people

You deserve to be sacked

LunaHeather · 21/02/2021 22:19

OP "It scares me how quickly people will cite "the rules," even if they are nonsensical. Some of my 'friends' would scream at me for meeting two people outside today but if the gov said you could meet thirty people indoors tomorrow legally, would go to a house party no question."

Yes. It's bizarre. But people are so angry. I've even had a couple of friends angry about things that aren't breaking the law.

Also, a couple moved into our block of flats this week and a neighbour complained to management saying no one should be allowed to move in. I heard it from the horse's mouth - there was an error on my bill and I had to call them. They didn't name the complainer but asked if I minded. I said, um hello, you know me, I'm not INSANE!

They said "ah, but the person who complained isnt normally crazy either". Some people have totally lost it.

tarapinn · 21/02/2021 22:31

Pink tonic

Well luckily nobody at work knows what I get up to at home so that really won't happen

PregnantGotCovid · 21/02/2021 22:52

@tarapinn

We've been breaking the rules slightly for weeks now. Not in a big way, eg ds seeing his gf ( they've both had covid), going into a friends kitchen to meet their new puppy, dd's 17th she had one friend over for a sleepover, supermarket most days etc. I also work for the nhs on a busy ward so meet lots of people.

None of us has caught covid from it.

Now I know people will say we've just been lucky blah blah but I swear people think transmission is GUARANTEED to happen just because you break the 'rules' or meet 2 friends for a dog walk instead of 1.

It's really not so I agree with you op.

That's not breaking the rules slightly, that's breaking the rules hugely.

Sparklingbrook · 21/02/2021 22:55

That's not breaking the rules slightly, that's breaking the rules hugely

I agree, somebody working 'on a busy NHS ward' that doesn't know the difference

justasking111 · 21/02/2021 22:57

@tarapinn

Pink tonic

Well luckily nobody at work knows what I get up to at home so that really won't happen

Well I could not do your job, so cannot criticise you for grasping a little joy here and there.

DownstairsMixUp · 21/02/2021 23:11

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Sparklingbrook · 21/02/2021 23:33

@DownstairsMixUp

It's easy because these sad tragic people have no lives so love this. Majority of negative people are furloughed to so sitting on their arses all day being paid.

That's a bit of a generalisation. I don't know anyone that's furloughed this time around, either WFH or working as normal. I didn't realise people were still so bitter about furlough. Interesting.

OnceUponAMidnightBeery · 22/02/2021 01:06

Retail worker here. Small rule breaking by our customers could close and bankrupt our tiny business if a staff member was infected. But hey, carry on. Most of us are under 40 so a long way down the vaccine list 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yerroblemom1923 · 22/02/2021 01:20

ChiefBabySniffer, good for you! I bet they had a great time and really needed that get together. I've been letting my teenage dd meet with a friend for SD walks (I can't imagine they're v "socially distanced" but she needs her friends more than she needs to live in fear of a virus)
Everyone is getting fed up now. Many of us have been so careful and still got it. I had it in Oct but no one else in my household caught it. So there's no logic in it.
I meet (and hug) a close friend of mine who has been vaccinated. She's had a tough year of family bereavements (not covid related) and to not hold someone's hand when they're visibly grieving is too alien to contemplate.
I honestly think some things are bigger than covid. My dd is young and fit, if she gets it she'll be fine, I've had worse colds and should have some immunity and my dh has been vaccinated.

bearfood · 22/02/2021 01:22

@Totallyfedup1979 I feel the exact same way. There is no chance of me not seeing my adult dds and my grandson all the time I'm at school with random children. We have all had Covid back in November so I feel the risk is minimal.

Kazzyhoward · 22/02/2021 07:57

@tarapinn

Pink tonic

Well luckily nobody at work knows what I get up to at home so that really won't happen

No wonder so many people catch covid in hospital with staff like you "caring" for them.

Kazzyhoward · 22/02/2021 08:00

@OnceUponAMidnightBeery

Retail worker here. Small rule breaking by our customers could close and bankrupt our tiny business if a staff member was infected. But hey, carry on. Most of us are under 40 so a long way down the vaccine list 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yep. As we've seen on this thread, teachers and nurses not caring because their jobs/incomes are secure, not giving a moment's thought to others who could lose income, jobs and businesses.

pinkprosseco · 22/02/2021 08:08

The Government have given mixed messages. They themselves haven't followed the rules. Everyone needs to take as much care as they can but honestly if shops don't encourage the spread and apparently schools don't then get on and open these up. Let us meet outdoors. Most people seem to be anyway and as long as they are risk assessing I don't blame them. This has been too long, and we will all suffer much more if we don't start the economy again and take care of peoples well being.

blametheparents · 22/02/2021 08:14

@SilverGlitterBaubles

I noticed today more groups of a older people were out lots stopping to chat also a group of 4 at a picnic bench having a coffee. They've probably all been vaccinated so good for them. However, teen DD raised an eyebrow at this saying if her and her mates did were doing this those very same people would be berating the for selfishness.

Completely agree. Youngsters are an easy target to criticise. It happens all the time.

RedskyBynight · 22/02/2021 08:30

I've been letting my teenage dd meet with a friend for SD walks

That's allowed ... it's not a rule break.

Kazzyhoward · 22/02/2021 08:37

Completely agree.Youngsters are an easy target to criticise. It happens all the time.

Especially uni students who may be living together in groups of up to 12/14 or even 16 in some Uni flats. That's their household for the covid rules so nothing to stop them going out together (after all, they're already sharing a kitchen, lounge and maybe bathrooms). But if they're seen out, even in smaller groups, people immediately assuming they're breaking the rules.

There have even been reports of campus security being heavy handed and breaking up groups of 6 or more walking around together on campuses (when we had the rule of 6) and completely being told that they were in a bubble, some even being reported to the Uni authorities (for doing something perfectly legal and allowable). Same in campus bars and cafes - groups of 6 or more being turned away despite them being in their own household/bubble, not even being allowed to sit on adjacent tables.

The young (especially uni students) have been very badly treated throughout covid. Not to mention being expected to pay £15k for an "online" open university style course that would have cost a fraction of that if done via the OU. They really won't forget how badly they've been treated.

bluebluezoo · 22/02/2021 08:40

To add more context- At this point, I think non-essential retail needs to be open and I think people should be able to meet in gardens now. I also think the "stay at home"
part needs to be lifted so people can go to the beach for the day without worrying as it's not "exercise."

Did you see the beaches in the summer when people were “alllowed to travel for fresh air”

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-52754039

Yep, that is why the rules are there, if they aren’t, people take the piss and we end up with crowds on beaches and in parks.

Travel is restricted to stop the new variants spreading uncontrollably. Keeping to your own area contains that.

Just follow the rules and do your part until this is over. The more people do that the quicker we will get back to normal.

All the idiots thinking they know better or are special and can break a rule here or there are the ones keeping us in this harsh lockdown instead of tiers.