I genuinely don't get why people are so offended by small rule breaks at this point

[Flower234]

I'm not trying to be goady and this is not a thread about a thread, but inspired by admittedly

So basically, 1/3 or there abouts (maybe more?) have had first vaccine which we now KNOW reduces transmission. Everything is trending downwards. We've been doing this for a year- Many of us are financially, mentally and emotionally drained, but things are looking up. It's safer than it's been in a while, and it's time to consider 'opening up. I'm not anti-lockdown, but I am pro proportionate covid restrictions with the minimum restrictions to liberty necessary.

That said, how do some people genuinely take time out of their day to have a go at people for the tiniest rule breaks which will make NO impact or very little impact on transmission?

Like a single person going to a second home, someone meeting two people outside instead of one, someone driving an hour to meet a partner they haven't seen in four months for a walk... All genuine examples I've seen people go irate over

It scares me how quickly people will cite "the rules," even if they are nonsensical. Some of my 'friends' would scream at me for meeting two people outside today but if the gov said you could meet thirty people indoors tomorrow legally, would go to a house party no question.

I suppose my question is does anyone else feel like people use "because the government made it a rule" as a reason to control and rebuke others, without any aspect of critical thinking or actual science? They're not scared of covid- They don't care about transmission. They just like the powertrip.

Does anyone else feel they know a lot of people like this?

It offends me because it's a kick in the face to those who've sacrificed this whole time, in other words done the right thing for others rather than themselves.

So many arseholes on here like 'I don't care any more, I'm doing what I want' - these people clearly think they're better than others and hence I consider them prize cunts and generally think fuck them all, at this point.

I only get annoyed with other people when their activities inconvenience me eg having garden bonfires.

Ok so people aren't meant to drive for exercise in Wales, or meet more than one person outside for exercise, or sit in their mother's or brother's garden. But how do any of those activities affect me? Answer: they don't. It's time people just minded their own business.

hence I consider them prize cunts and generally think fuck them all, at this point

and using nasty expressions on MN makes ALL the difference, obvs

[quote hamstersarse]Mass delusional psychosis...that’s why!

A reasonable explanation here www.lewrockwell.com/2021/02/joseph-mercola/the-world-is-suffering-from-mass-delusional-psychosis/[/quote]
Still promoting misinformation, anti vaxxers and pseudoscience I see?

I wasn't going too even though I hadn't planned to have it at home. However after seeing more & more neighbours leaving my road (usual christmas behaviour) I thought fuck it."

And the knock on effect is that other people see you doing it (who haven't isolated for two weeks) and think fuck it.

Don't kid yourself that you're not part of the problem. This is why people can't "make their own risk assessments"

Sorry where did I say I wasn't part of the problem? My point was to those who say it isn't an issue & it's about the collective not the individual.
Although there really was no one to see me since all my neighbours had left, most for at least a wk & I was gone for an hour.

@Missdotty

I know what you mean. Fwiw we are part of the ons covid survey. My husband came back positive, I was negative. We all later got cold like symptoms. I asked if I could have another test as my husband was self isolating from us in the house and I wanted to know if it was necessary, and if I needed to distance from DC. I was told that I couldn't take the test because I didn't have the right symptoms.

Point being, if we were not part of the ons survey none of us would have had the correct symptoms to take the covid test and would have been able to carry on life as normal. Think how many people in the UK now have a cold and it might easily be covid. They cannot take a test because they don't have the correct three symptoms. That's why lock downs like this don't really work, not when people aren't eligible for testing when they exhibit symptoms of things like colds.

Agree, was the same here. We had similar symptoms but not one of the main my husband had so weren't eligible for a test, bonkers.

People can undertake their own risk assessments

People can't. This is why we have a plethora of laws designed to protect people from themselves, put in place because people were dying needlessly for various reasons.

I get tested as i'm an essential worker but yes my first symptom was a runny nose.

The government deem it perfectly safe for me to mix with hundreds of teens everyday ... why would I break my neck to follow the rules and not see the people I actually want to see?

Because you risk passing it on to them, or catching it from them and passing it to students.

Well done for disproving the assertion that people can asses risk for themselves.

As a pregnant teacher who is likely to be back in the classroom with 30 children very soon, the little rule breaks that the families of these children make do make me nervous. I have been pretty relaxed through the pandemic and have been in school throughout but am now nervous. Had gestational diabetes in previous pregnancy which apparently may increase my risk factor , so expecting that to happen again. It may seem like small break but it increases the risks of everyone you then come in close contact with. I desperately want life to get back to normal but am aware of the impact of my behaviour on the lives of others.

Yes, we have vaccinated a significant percentage of the population and the vast majority of those almost at risk. We also have a significant proportion of the population who are immune because they’ve had the virus. Yet for some reason people are acting like we’re in the same situation as last year with a brand new disease, no immunity and no vaccine.

At say 400k per day around half of those vaccinated must be passed 21 days now if my mental maths is correct

To me that's a pretty good amount of protection against already in the population.

My husband has multiple significant risk factors but is group 6 as that is where each individual factor places him. He works outside the home. He hasn’t even been contacted yet. My perception of what constitutes a good amount of protection in the population differs somewhat from yours. Case numbers and deaths are still far too high at the moment.

@poppycat10

I only get annoyed with other people when their activities inconvenience me eg having garden bonfires.

Ok so people aren't meant to drive for exercise in Wales, or meet more than one person outside for exercise, or sit in their mother's or brother's garden. But how do any of those activities affect me? Answer: they don't. It's time people just minded their own business.

But they do affect you if by doing that they are spreading the virus and causing all of us to remain locked down

@Totallyfedup1979

I don’t care anymore. I’m doing as I please.

I’m back at work without PPE soon as a teacher and the government don’t think I need to social distance, stay home or wear masks. The government deem it perfectly safe for me to mix with hundreds of teens everyday ... why would I break my neck to follow the rules and not see the people I actually want to see?

I’m not a disposable robot. I’m not just going to put myself at risk when the government says it’s OK. So I’m looking at it differently....when I return to school (and right now I can’t wait), I will also return to as much of a normal life as I can get without shops etc being open.

If I’m ok to be around all those kids day in day out; then it’s perfectly fine for me to have my sister and her family over for dinner etc.

Spectacular failure to grasp the principles of disease transmission there. And you’re a teacher? Scary.

@Totallyfedup1979

I don’t care anymore. I’m doing as I please.

I’m back at work without PPE soon as a teacher and the government don’t think I need to social distance, stay home or wear masks. The government deem it perfectly safe for me to mix with hundreds of teens everyday ... why would I break my neck to follow the rules and not see the people I actually want to see?

I’m not a disposable robot. I’m not just going to put myself at risk when the government says it’s OK. So I’m looking at it differently....when I return to school (and right now I can’t wait), I will also return to as much of a normal life as I can get without shops etc being open.

If I’m ok to be around all those kids day in day out; then it’s perfectly fine for me to have my sister and her family over for dinner etc.

It's that kind of attitude that causes exponential growth in the first place. It amazes me how so many people can't understand chains of infection.

I agree to be honest, my SIL was up arms that my PILS drove to the coast for the day in their camper van (we're in Scotland and this isn't allowed). The thing is, they never interacted with another person, used their own toilet and kitchen and have both had the first dose of the vaccine so theoretically risk may be reduced anyway.

Obviously, hypothetically they could have crashed or whatever, but really that is highly unlikely. I just can't get worked up about any of this anymore.

@bumbleymummy

Yes, we have vaccinated a significant percentage of the population and the vast majority of those almost at risk. We also have a significant proportion of the population who are immune because they’ve had the virus. Yet for some reason people are acting like we’re in the same situation as last year with a brand new disease, no immunity and no vaccine.

We really don't have a "significant" proportion of the population immune because they've already had it.

Latest figures show just 4 million out of a population of 60 million. That's not even 10%. It's NOT significant at all.

Not only that, there's still no evidence as to how long a person is immune if they've already had it. It could be months, it could be years, no one knows.

I am at some of the posts on here. Some don't seem to see the bigger picture at all.

To be honest no, I don't know a lot of people like this at the moment (getting offended by minor rule breaks)

Most of my friends are minor rule breaking, but nothing that adds any risk (such as meeting outside as a 3 rather than 2) and we are all pretty relaxed about it, nobody is telling anyone off.

This week I'm having my dm round for lunch in the garden (she has cancer) and I don't give a shit about the rules. We don't know how long she will be here and she's sick to death of her own four walls, so if I can do something (safely) to cheer up I'll do it.

@Kazzyhoward there are actually plenty of studies now showing that immunity from infection last 6-8+ months. It actually gave confidence to the scientists developing the vaccines.

4 million cases confirmed by tests - not factoring in that we were not testing in the general population in the beginning or asymptomatic cases that may not have been tested at all.

If I just got my information from Mumsnet I would come away with the idea that following the rules/guidelines leads to infection with Covid.

Post after post on thread after thread describes hardly having left the house since March, mostly, even entirely, having deliveries, and yet catching Covid. Whereas in real life the people I know and talk to go out everyday, pass through crowded places, visit supermarkets and takeaways often, meet with a friend, drink coffee on a bench, meet up with friends and family, even indoors when it was allowed (and, the odd person, when it wasn't) and haven't caught Covid yet.

It appears that some people are more concerned with following rules - or, rather, other people following rules - than they are with taking sensible steps to avoid spreading a nasty virus.

I’m with you OP, I think calling people selfish for breaking rules is selfish, I get that raves aren’t a good idea but I can see why there are an underground of hairdressers or mechanics etc carrying on as what happens if they can’t pay their mortgage or rent?! They lose their home and are homeless, I don’t think that is selfish. I don’t understand why under 5-11 year olds can’t meet up with one another and would break that rule if I had children of that age for their mental health. There are other illnesses apart from covid, I would see an ill parent in a heartbeat if I knew they were struggling and going to possibly not be here soon, again it’s breaking the rules unless terminal, I’m truly scared by people’s willingness to follow every rule to the letter without any critical thinking and reporting neighbours etc, they’ll still be your neighbours at the end of this, I just don’t understand how some people can only see covid and nothing else!

I think a lot of people are anxious, following the rules to the letter, making up some of their own to be super careful and get rather wound up when others don't do at least the same.

I think a lot of other people are quietly making their own decisions based on their own risk assessments and seeing parents, having nieces and nephews over for sleepovers, meeting a friend for a walk.

Obviously lots in the middle and then a small amount of raging rule breakers having wild parties.

@amicissimma

If I just got my information from Mumsnet I would come away with the idea that following the rules/guidelines leads to infection with Covid.

Post after post on thread after thread describes hardly having left the house since March, mostly, even entirely, having deliveries, and yet catching Covid. Whereas in real life the people I know and talk to go out everyday, pass through crowded places, visit supermarkets and takeaways often, meet with a friend, drink coffee on a bench, meet up with friends and family, even indoors when it was allowed (and, the odd person, when it wasn't) and haven't caught Covid yet.

It appears that some people are more concerned with following rules - or, rather, other people following rules - than they are with taking sensible steps to avoid spreading a nasty virus.

Unfortunately that is precisely what happened to me. Getting deliveries, working from home being v careful generally in addition to following the rules. Appreciate I've been very unlucky but the scenario is very much the reality for some people.

@Toocold

I’m with you OP, I think calling people selfish for breaking rules is selfish, I get that raves aren’t a good idea but I can see why there are an underground of hairdressers or mechanics etc carrying on as what happens if they can’t pay their mortgage or rent?! They lose their home and are homeless, I don’t think that is selfish. I don’t understand why under 5-11 year olds can’t meet up with one another and would break that rule if I had children of that age for their mental health. There are other illnesses apart from covid, I would see an ill parent in a heartbeat if I knew they were struggling and going to possibly not be here soon, again it’s breaking the rules unless terminal, I’m truly scared by people’s willingness to follow every rule to the letter without any critical thinking and reporting neighbours etc, they’ll still be your neighbours at the end of this, I just don’t understand how some people can only see covid and nothing else!

Nothing to stop mechanics operating as normal as long as they follow precautions.