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Vaccine rollout in Europe

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Baileysforchristmas · 19/02/2021 16:52

The vaccine rollout in Europe is turning into a complete disaster.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support

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FourTeaFallOut · 24/02/2021 19:52

Oh, give over.

Baileysforchristmas · 24/02/2021 20:17

They are doing second doses now, the government have already said how important it is to get the second dose, the data coming is backing up 12 week delay even with the Pfizer vaccine.

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CherryRoulade · 24/02/2021 20:39

Have you seen the roll out plans and strategy?

CherryRoulade · 24/02/2021 20:40

Barely mention second doses.

OldRailer · 24/02/2021 20:42

I am hearing irl about people having their second doses. It's happening.Confused

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/02/2021 20:52

[quote CherryRoulade]Depends who you ask - many European countries are actually well ahead of the UK in fully vaccinating. The UK has decided to opt for partial vaccination which is off Licence. I rather suspect in the desire for tabloid headlines to hide their complete Covid catastrophe, they won't actually get around to second doses for many.

www.euronews.com/2021/02/24/covid-19-vaccinations-in-europe-which-countries-are-leading-the-way[/quote]
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-vindicated-over-brave-decision-to-delay-second-vaccine-dose-who-official-says-12211550

he UK has been "vindicated" over its "brave" decision to offer vaccines doses up to three months apart, the World Health Organisation's special envoy on COVID-19 has said.

Dr David Nabarro told Sky News' Sophy Ridge On Sunday the move had provided the rest of the world with a "great lesson".

Dr Nabarro told Sky News: "The advice of the World Health Organisation on intervals between vaccine doses was based on what the manufacturers did in doing what we call the phase three trials of the vaccine and WHO and its committees really has to work on the basis of what manufacturers have told them - but isn't it wonderful that it has turned out, as a result of the UK's bravery frankly, that these extended intervals seems to be associated with greater protection."

He added: "So, yes, I think the UK's approach so far as been vindicated and yes, it has taught a great lesson for the rest of the world. Thank you, thank you British scientists."

sashagabadon · 24/02/2021 20:52

Second doses taking place in my hospital now. Those that had jabs week before Xmas invited to book this week and then it’ll follow on for the next 6 weeks or so to complete everyone’s second dose. Should be completed by mid April, maybe end of April for the stragglers

Baileysforchristmas · 24/02/2021 21:00

I think it’s nearly a million second doses so far.

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merrygoround88 · 24/02/2021 21:01

@AlecTrevelyan006 That list makes no sense at all, the premise is utterly flawed and quite silly.
Most countries will accelerate when more vaccines and general supply come online.
Europe are undoubtedly way behind the UK but I would expect this to accelerate very quickly sometime in early April and into the Summer. I would imagine that smaller European counties - Netherlands, Ireland, Belgium etc will vaccinate relatively quicker thereafter. Larger countries will take longer.
The Johnson and Johnson vaccine hasn’t been approved yet and is a 1 shot game changer

SummerBody1 · 24/02/2021 22:33

J&J just got emergency approval in the US and is awaiting approval in the EU, I believe.

I hope we can have some kind of Summer

Dongdingdong · 24/02/2021 22:35

Depends who you ask - many European countries are actually well ahead of the UK in fully vaccinating. The UK has decided to opt for partial vaccination which is off Licence. I rather suspect in the desire for tabloid headlines to hide their complete Covid catastrophe, they won't actually get around to second doses for many.

Oh for God’s sake - not another one. How many times? Hmm

lighteincastlewindow · 25/02/2021 00:37

@Baileysforchristmas I think you need to start reading outside of your own countries press. It's called spin. Seriously the whole of Europe does not wonder and lament about the Oxford Vaccine and gaze upon Great Britain as a gold standard 🤣 🤣🤣

Alondra · 25/02/2021 05:41

I think this "we are better than you" is becoming ridiculous. Europe and UK are neighbours with enormous amounts of trade and people moving and holidaying between us. What happens in the UK affects Europe and viceversa.

There is no question Europe has experienced a vaccine shortage but much of the problems have been resolved and as new vaccines are approved, we will catch up.

There has been, as I said previously on another thread, different strategies used in different countries. The UK needed to get the first vaccines to most of the population to deal with the near collapse of the NHS and amount of deaths. Spain, the country I'm most familiar with outside Australia, is achieving the same objective with a much smaller part of their population fully vaccinated and without the need for a national lockdown. In fact, the only autonomous region still with over 300 cases per 100,000 is Madrid but is down 43% in the last 14 days. Madrid however is a special case, they are the only region in Spain where museums, theaters etc are still open with safe distance policies. Same as bars and restaurants with a curfew of 11.00pm.

There are problems with the Astro-Zeneca ONLY because the company (NOT the UK) never tested enough people in the older groups. There is not "we don't want the UK vaccine because is British" as too often is spin by tabloids in the UK. It has never been Europe against the UK, just Europe taking a private pharmaceutical to account on the contracts they signed with the millions of European public money invested.

Each country has the right to protect their population on the advice their health officials received. As long as we all get vaccinated this year and this fucking virus becomes "just another virus", we will all win.

EileenGC · 25/02/2021 06:02

@Alondra 👏🏻👏🏻

3asAbird · 25/02/2021 07:23

It seems uk will have some quiet weeks.
Supply is an issue
We ordered moderna later than eu so won't get that until end late march where as Europe schedule was Feb moderna but revised downwards.
Phizer have reduced everyone orders including uk and Europe.
Or az is made in different factory.
It seems an shortfall of az is being made In India and sent to Europe until thier factory is producing enough.
It took az uk site 3months iron out their issues so maybe there is no quick fix and az work with partners in Belgium to produce great vaccine.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9294521/Germanys-biggest-newspaper-praises-Britains-vaccine-success.html

I take this with pinch salt as German tablod similar to the sun.
But some interesting stuff in there.

The biggest issue unfortunately other than supply now is damaged confidence with the AZ many don't want it.
Not sure how they solve that.

I guess maybe France and Germany have redistribute az to other countries that will accept it better than sat in fridge and missed appointments.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9294467/EU-set-receive-90-MILLION-fewer-AstraZeneca-jabs.html

Why is Merkel mentioning 3nd wave? Does she mean now or later in the year?

FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2021 07:27

"Merkel says Germany in third wave of pandemic: sources | Article [AMP] | Reuters" mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AN1M3

Now.

MarshaBradyo · 25/02/2021 07:38

German speaker on R4 now re AZ reluctance

Alondra · 25/02/2021 07:46

"The biggest issue unfortunately other than supply now is damaged confidence with the AZ many don't want it.
Not sure how they solve that."

It's not political, I'm in Australia and people have concerns about the Astro Zeneca. Vulnerable and high-priority groups — including people working in quarantine and aged care — will get the Pfizer jab, while most of us will get the AstraZeneca option.

We can't pick and choose but the fact the government has chosen the most vulnerable groups to be inoculated with Pfizzer while the rest get the AZ is a concern in the wider community. This is something the company needs to address if they want to be competitive.

www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-02-22/covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-astrazeneca-australia-coronavirus/13158870?nw=0

BTW, Daily Mail is the worst news source for serious information about anything.

MarshaBradyo · 25/02/2021 07:55

It’s ok if groups use different vaccine as long as they do take them up if it’s offered.

So Pfizer of course can have a role but if Aus use AZ for rest of population it’ll need to be taken up.

Real world data is looking good for AZ iirc

Alondra · 25/02/2021 08:19

So Pfizer of course can have a role but if Aus use AZ for rest of population it’ll need to be taken up.

Issue is that Australia and New Zealand have zero local transmission and the AZ vaccine has no data at all how it affects transmission.

Israeli researchers have found that having just one shot of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine may lead to lower viral loads, making it harder to transmit COVID-19 if someone becomes infected after the first dose.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.06.21251283v1.full.pdf

We don't have this data about the AZ vaccine, at least I haven't found it anywhere. We are concerned in Australia that if the AZ vaccine is not going to lower substantial viral loads to stop transmission, we may end up letting the virus in and be unable to stop the spread because the vaccine is largely ineffective against transmission.

Another aspect is side effects.

FourTeaFallOut · 25/02/2021 08:29

And here is the most miserable paper in the world reporting good news about the real world data about AstraZeneca.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/22/scotland-covid-vaccination-drive-linked-to-big-drop-in-hospital-admissions

Alondra · 25/02/2021 08:31

As to why Israel has so much data....

....Nigel McMillan, professor of infectious diseases and immunology at Griffith University's Menzies Health Institute, said it wasn't surprising there was an influx of information about the Pfizer jab to come out of Israel.

The Pfizer option was the first coronavirus vaccine to make it through phase three of testing, Professor McMillan explained, which meant it was out being used in the community.

And Israel has already administered more than 6.7 million doses, according to Bloomberg's COVID vaccine tracker.

This high vaccination rate and the fact that every citizen has a digital health record made it easy for the country to collate and compare information.

"Because [Israel] is vaccinating lots of people, it allows them to compare non-vaccinated and vaccinated people," Professor McMillan said.

Pfizer has signed an agreement with the Israeli Ministry of Health for anonymised data on vaccine recipients — an arrangement which the company describes as a "non-interventional 'real-world' evidence data collection collaboration", rather than a clinical research study.

www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-02-19/covid-19-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-viral-load-drops-first-dose/13156116