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Shops/pubs/indoor mixing 'not till cases under 1000 a day'

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bathsh3ba · 16/02/2021 22:53

According to The Telegraph.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/16/covidlockdown-continue-cases-drop-1000-day/

First it was save lives.
Then it was prevent hospitalisations and protect the NHS.
Now it's all down to cases apparently.

Beginning to think the whole thing is pointless. OK so schools may partly open and some outdoor mixing but even that is sounding unsure.

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RichardMarxisinnocent · 16/02/2021 22:55

I can't read it as I don't have a subscription - what exactly does it say please?

AllMyPrettyOnes · 16/02/2021 22:56

Gah, I hope not.

I long to go somewhere that isn't the supermarket ...

Crumpetycrump · 16/02/2021 22:56

Hopefully with the current rate of decline - halving in just over 2 weeks, we should be below 1,000 in a few weeks (assuming schools opening doesn’t increase cases).

XenoBitch · 16/02/2021 22:59

They say 'protect the NHS'.... I feel it is a lie now. They want zero Covid.

bathsh3ba · 16/02/2021 22:59

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Exclusive: Covid lockdown to continue until cases drop below 1,000 a day
Roadmap out of restrictions, due next week, unlikely to commit to clear timetable for the coming months

By
Laura Donnelly,
HEALTH EDITOR and
Ben Riley-Smith,
POLITICAL EDITOR
16 February 2021 • 9:30pm
Covid case numbers

Lockdown is unlikely to be eased significantly until daily Covid cases are in the hundreds, compared with more than 10,000 a day now, The Telegraph understands.

Boris Johnson is due to publish a roadmap out of the restrictions next week, beginning with the reopening of schools from March 8.

But the plan is unlikely to commit to a clear timetable for the coming months, instead promising a series of reviews which would see the reopening of shops, pubs and restaurants deferred until cases reach a low not seen since August.

Covid cases have fallen significantly in recent weeks and could reach less than 1,000 a day by early April if they continue to decline at the current rate. However, this is likely to be delayed by the impact of the return of schools.

A senior Whitehall source said: "For any significant relaxation of lockdown, household mixing and reopening pubs, case numbers have to be in the hundreds, not thousands.

"The numbers are coming down quite fast, but the plan is likely to be high level and set out the tests that have to be met for restrictions to be released. There is real reluctance about committing to specific dates without knowing what the case numbers are doing."

It came on the day it was announced that an additional 1.7 million people had been put on the Government's shielding list, suggesting they may be asked to restrict their movements while others return to work.

When Mr Johnson announced the third national lockdown on Jan 4, he said the plan for taking the country out of the restrictions depended on three factors – the success of the vaccination programme, the capacity of the NHS and the fall in deaths.

However, in recent weeks ministers have repeatedly highlighted the need for case numbers to fall significantly before restrictions can be eased, but without citing a specific threshold.

On Tuesday, Nadhim Zahawi, the vaccines minister, declined to say how low infections must be in order to allow the lockdown to be relaxed, telling Sky News: "The Prime Minister is right to say that where we are today in terms of number of people in hospital, in terms of case numbers per day, is still far too high, and we want to make sure we bring that right down. But I wouldn't want to speculate on this until we see more data."

Tory MPs on Tuesday night accused the Government of "moving the goalposts" in the promises made to the public.

Mr Johnson is expected to announce some kind of return to schools in England from March 8, but little else in terms of lockdown easing is expected because of the emphasis on case numbers.

Nicola Sturgeon has announced that the youngest primary school pupils will return to classrooms in Scotland next Monday, but the vast majority of older children will remain at home for at least another month.

Scientists have said the return of schools could push up the 'R' reproduction rate of the virus by 0.4, which would mean it would take longer for cases to fall into the hundreds.

There were 10,625 Covid cases recorded on Tuesday, compared with more than 60,000 a day in the first week of January. However, cases have been above 1,000 a day since August after reaching a low of 370 in early July, around the time that pubs, bars and restaurants were reopened.

A Whitehall source said ministers remained hopeful that some outdoor mixing, such as playing tennis or golf, would be allowed in March, with shops allowed to open in April and pubs in May. However, the plan is likely to set out a series of data reviews, expected to be every three weeks, meaning the timetable could be altered depending on infection levels.

A major study by Public Health England examining the impact of vaccines on virus transmission is not expected to be published until March, after the roadmap.

On Monday, Mr Johnson met Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, and Michael Gove, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, to talk about a draft of the plan, with significant changes still under discussion.

The UK has now offered vaccines to more than 16 million people, including everyone over the age of 70. On Tuesday, Office for National Statistics data suggested the programme is beginning to show an impact, with antibodies found in more than four in 10 people aged 80 and over.

On Tuesday night, Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of the influential 1922 Committee of Tory backbench MPs, told The Telegraph: "The case for the current lockdown was made on the grounds that NHS ICU [intensive care unit] capacity was about to be overwhelmed.

"Now the picture is profoundly different. All of the most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated. Positive test numbers, hospitalisations, deaths are all falling rapidly.

"The presumption should be that people are given back control over their own lives and we move from a world of arbitrary regulation to one where we are able to take responsibility for ourselves and each other. We cannot allow the goalposts to be moved every time we are about to reach freedom."

On Tuesday, Chris Hopson, the head of NHS Providers, wrote to Mr Johnson to tell him that "data rather than dates" should be the way out of lockdown.

Mr Hopson highlighted calls from scientists to reduce daily case numbers to less than 1,000 before easing restrictions, saying hospital leaders believe the NHS will remain at "full stretch" for at least six weeks.

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 16/02/2021 23:03

1,000 cases per day = about 10 deaths per day and 100 hospital admissions per day

RichardMarxisinnocent · 16/02/2021 23:08

Thank you. So not quite as bad as the headline makes it seem then? We could reach 1000 cases a day by early April, or probably a bit later due to the impact of schools opening. And we'd have some sort of easing before we get to 1000 a day. If this is true, then it's a gradual easing of restrictions, presumably with the aim of getting case numbers low enough that they stay low through summer and to allow the effects of the vaccination programme to be seen.

Ohnomoreno · 16/02/2021 23:09

Whatever anyone thinks of lockdowns, or not, how the fuck are we going to pay for all this??

AlecTrevelyan006 · 16/02/2021 23:10

simple way to get under 1,000 positive cases per day is to stop testing everyone

CountessFrog · 16/02/2021 23:10

But 1000 cases of young fit people isn’t the same?

bathsh3ba · 16/02/2021 23:12

The below 1,000 a day for shops/hospitality and any indoor mixing feels pretty stark to me and sounds pretty definite.

Yes we may get tidbits before then but surely cases should not be considered in isolation.

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XenoBitch · 16/02/2021 23:19

@CountessFrog

But 1000 cases of young fit people isn’t the same?
Exactly. If most people (and that is the case even now) can self treat at home with rest and Lemsip (if they even have symptoms), then why would we stay locked down for such a low amount of cases?
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Frazzled2207 · 16/02/2021 23:25

@RedFrog2 clearly does not understand that millions of people’s livelihoods are depending on lockdown easing. How does millions of job losses help anyone?
And why does our mental health not matter?
Feel free to stay at home independently.
Most of us have had enough.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 16/02/2021 23:25

Viruses don’t ‘rip’, they spread

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RichardMarxisinnocent · 16/02/2021 23:27

offices are things of the past-
My NHS hospital employer doesn't seem to think so - it is happy for small numbers of us to be working in the office at the moment (by our own choice) , and certainly isn't going to force people to wfh forever if their don't want to.

Kokeshi123 · 16/02/2021 23:28

Independent SAGE have been very clear that we must go for zero COVID. That means we must stay in lockdown until cases are at zero or very close to it.
Do you live in a parallel universe where Independent Sage is running the country? They are not the government. Hence "independent."

BarbaraofKent · 16/02/2021 23:30

It's not just about death. Healthy young people are equally at risk of permanent disability due to Long COVID.

Equally to what? Confused

Once hospitalisation and deaths are down, it doesn't really matter how many cases there are, given that for the vast vast majority of people, Covid will be a mild illness, if they get any symptoms at all.

BarbaraofKent · 16/02/2021 23:31

@AlecTrevelyan006

1,000 cases per day = about 10 deaths per day and 100 hospital admissions per day
Is that with or without the vaccine?
Athinginitself · 16/02/2021 23:31

I think we do need to get the cases down further before more normality can resume despite being desperate to see people. If we can get to less than 1000 a day they can be probably tracked and traced and sequenced and we can keep an eye on any mutations which are going to be the issue, we are much more likely to get a mutation that the vaccine doesnt work for if cases are running really high in the community. I dont think we need zero covid but we need to know what its doing, where it is and how its changing so we can respond and not be back in a terrible situation again in a few months.

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