Page 5 | Scotland saying no holidays for summer?

RaspberryCoulis · 17/02/2021 10:09

Well exactly. We have a week booked in Easter. It was actually booked in October 2019 for April 2020. Then postponed a year. Our week in England in July was booked last August/September.

FredUpNow · 17/02/2021 10:18

I just heard the radio advert telling me to only go out for exercise not to "just" meet friends.

I don't blame ordinary people for taking government messages seriously. It's gone well beyond any scientific sense atm.

Surely going outside to chat to a kindly fellow human at a wide distance would boost the immune system whilst having near to zero chance of passing on the virus.

Anyone else remember the "loneliness is as bad as smoking for life expectancy"?

Quartz2208 · 17/02/2021 10:22

I dont think she is saying there wont be holidays in the UK or abroad just that rightly she cant say that there will be

The problem is as a PP said is that a lot of people (myself included) have holidays they have moved around. I have an Easter Holiday booked (England) that was booked in November 2019 for May 2020. I moved it originally to October 2020 but decided against it due to rising numbers and felt April 2021 would be safer.

THe travel industry is hanging on by a thread how much more it can take is debatable.

I fully believe that they will open up the UK to kcikstart the economy in the summer. Abroad is trickier not just with opening borders but how much they will want us to stay in the UK and spend our money here. I think the latter will be as much of a factor as COVID itself

DenisetheMenace · 17/02/2021 10:26

Alfaix

I love my hot holidays but I think this is sensible. UK holidays yes, but we need to keep tighter control of the borders so we can relax restrictions here. Better a more normal daily life than jetting off then another lockdown.“

Agree. We won’t be let into many countries either at all or without quarantine anyway. UK hasn’t covered itself in glory with its handling of this.

The idea of being able to go about a daily life without restriction at home this summer makes me deliriously dizzy 😁

SongSilkTrainspot · 17/02/2021 10:54

@CrackOpenTheGin

Sounds sensible to me. Sick of people who can’t live without a holiday in a pandemic making things worse for all of us

It’s not just about holidays. People have not seen their families, and all the circumstances that surround that, for a year.

Alfaix · 17/02/2021 11:38

Maybe if it is to see close relatives rather than just a holiday it should be allowed- with proof, quarantine and testing restrictions obviously?
If you really need to see family it would be worth extra costs and 10 days quarantine at either end in a way it wouldn’t be for a week in Majorca.

Bollss · 17/02/2021 13:17

@Alfaix

Maybe if it is to see close relatives rather than just a holiday it should be allowed- with proof, quarantine and testing restrictions obviously? If you really need to see family it would be worth extra costs and 10 days quarantine at either end in a way it wouldn’t be for a week in Majorca.

It's not just the cost it's the time. People would be forced to use a whole years worth of annual leave in one go just to be allowed to see family. That just isn't fair.

MaudesMum · 17/02/2021 13:27

Will residents of nasty disease-ridden England be allowed to holiday in Scotland, do we think? Have a self-catering holiday booked in Scotland at the end of July and it would be very nice to come (and spend money in the local economy, obviously).

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 13:32

@Alfaix

Maybe if it is to see close relatives rather than just a holiday it should be allowed- with proof, quarantine and testing restrictions obviously? If you really need to see family it would be worth extra costs and 10 days quarantine at either end in a way it wouldn’t be for a week in Majorca.

£1750 per person in extra cost, with possibility of £1200 fine if you test positive on day 8. Who can afford that, and the time, particularly if you are visiting a parent who's become widowed from this and hasn't seen grandchildren in over a year? Because Wee Nippy is desperate to outdo Jacinda Ardern?

Fuck that when you can fly into England, stay there overnight or hop into your car, drive back in and quarantine at home like a fucking adult and not a prisoner but with fewer rights and paying for it.

What if you've had both doses of the vaccine and tested negative? What happened to vaccines being a way out? Why on Earth have people drunk so much of the Kool-Aid they find it acceptable to be effectively imprisoned in their own country unless they are rich? Why are people standing for this?

Oh, and the airlines, they will simply stop flying to Scotland because no one's going to go for her draconian bullshit policy to nanny us all and keep us locked into our own homes and fly to England because duh, who wouldn't? Who is going to sit and listen to a power mad wannabe tyrant who's got all her family round and endless money to cushion the blow whilst the rest of us are supposed to doff our caps and lick boots and swallow all the Kool Aid we're being given.

Fuck that for a game of soldiers.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 17/02/2021 13:32

@Alfaix

Maybe if it is to see close relatives rather than just a holiday it should be allowed- with proof, quarantine and testing restrictions obviously? If you really need to see family it would be worth extra costs and 10 days quarantine at either end in a way it wouldn’t be for a week in Majorca.

That would work if restricted to close family (so parents or a sibling so it’s not abused) testing and quarantine in a hotel so no rule breaking would be an acceptable compromise. Those that really want to see family could go then and accept those terms as part of the visit. They can choose not to go if they don’t like the travel rules and wait a little longer.

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 13:33

@MaudesMum

Will residents of nasty disease-ridden England be allowed to holiday in Scotland, do we think? Have a self-catering holiday booked in Scotland at the end of July and it would be very nice to come (and spend money in the local economy, obviously).

Why not? I'll personally donate to a fund to take Wee Nippy to court if she has the audacity to try to close the border to a country that is part of the UK! She's lost the plot.

MaxNormal · 17/02/2021 13:34

@rawalpindithelabrador awesome post. Totally agree with you.

Scottishskifun · 17/02/2021 13:37

@MaudesMum

Will residents of nasty disease-ridden England be allowed to holiday in Scotland, do we think? Have a self-catering holiday booked in Scotland at the end of July and it would be very nice to come (and spend money in the local economy, obviously).

Completely unknown at the moment we have had a travel ban in place since November! They have said they hoped scottish residents could go on holiday in Scotland by summer but nothing is for definite which doesn't hint well at what the feck they are planning!

I hope it will get relaxed so I can see my family in England but I wouldn't count on it!

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 13:41

We quarantined at home last year. But of course, that's not enough punishment for the crime of seeing family who live abroad (they should all have just stayed at home like good little isolationist xenophobes) and someone's not getting rich out of imprisoning people in hotels (but without the hour outside in the courtyard you get in prison and the free price tag) with airline food. They must be punished!

Bullshit. Go to England instead. Duh. Might just stay there this time.

Oh, and let's not forget the glorious NHS! That one that's pretty much stopped treating cancer.

I know people (sadly due to a bereavement am part of that world) who have been quite literally forced to seek medical treatment abroad or die or suffer serious mobility issues). Let's punish them, too. BAD people! How dare they travel!

A global economy is vital. BAD people travelling for work, it can all be done by Zoom.

The level of complete ignorance, buying into scare mongering, cognitive dissonance is astounding.

And I say this as someone whose father died from Covid (as did my FIL).

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 13:43

Completely unknown at the moment we have had a travel ban in place since November! They have said they hoped scottish residents could go on holiday in Scotland by summer but nothing is for definite which doesn't hint well at what the feck they are planning!

I hope it will get relaxed so I can see my family in England but I wouldn't count on it!

Go anyway. Tell any story. They don't check.

Porcupineintherough · 17/02/2021 13:49

The NHS hasn't stopped treating cancer. Things are bad enough without you making stuff up.

ConeHat · 17/02/2021 13:51

Not in Scotland and no.idea what the future holds, but I do worry the travel industry will collapse.

Ok maybe we shouldn't be travelling, but something has to give. It's the major reason I didnt rebook with TUI last year in case they fold

RedcurrantPuff · 17/02/2021 13:52

I wish she’d fuck off

Just who does she think she is? These are our lives, not hers.

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 13:55

@Porcupineintherough

The NHS hasn't stopped treating cancer.

Things are bad enough without you making stuff up.

It's not made up they've stopped treating a lot, that's not made up. It's all over the news, in fact, not even two minutes ago on ITV, their huge wait lists. There are people who've had to go abroad to access medical treatment. I had to do it myself in 2019. Can't imagine how it is now.

A friend of mine's palliative care was stopped in the last lockdown, you know, because fuck her, she was terminal anyhow, Covid is king! She died soon thereafter. That's how her family feels. That her life wasn't important anymore.

But hey, people are dying! Stay home! Forever! Or until St Nicola tells you you are permitted.

Unbelievable.

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 13:58

@ConeHat

Not in Scotland and no.idea what the future holds, but I do worry the travel industry will collapse.

Ok maybe we shouldn't be travelling, but something has to give. It's the major reason I didnt rebook with TUI last year in case they fold

The best reason to have not rebooked with TUI is because they're shit, not because of draconian ridiculousness that'll go on forever.

People have been travelling since they stood up on two legs. The beaker people were in Kilmartin 3000 years ago all the way from Europe, trading. A Whitby jet necklace of the same age or older was found there. That thing called trade, which is work. People travel. People associate.

The solution is to vaccinate as much as possible and then learn to live with it. It's going nowhere.

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 14:00

@RedcurrantPuff

I wish she’d fuck off

Just who does she think she is? These are our lives, not hers.

Jacinda Ardern, that's who she thinks she is. With her minions, close the border with England! Seem to forget we're still part of the UK and border is not hers to control.

poppycat10 · 17/02/2021 14:01

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Sounds very sensible, let’s hope Boris follows suit.

No one needs a holiday and the more travel the more chance of spread and new variants.

People might not need a holiday at Centreparcs but they do need to be able to travel to visit family.

And I need to go to Scotland to take my son to look at one of his university choices! That might not fit into your definition of "need" but it is quite important to see the place where you might be spending the next 3/4 years of your life.

mumto2teenagers · 17/02/2021 14:13

Why are people going on about holidays. Much more important things to be concerned about.

If you work in the tourism industry it is important.

For some holidays are the only way to see relatives, my DH is desperate to see his elderly father.

Subordinateclause · 17/02/2021 15:46

As well as the cost of quarantining in a hotel, I'm not sure it's actually that ethical to expect a toddler to stay in a single room with no fresh air for 10 days. Lockdown with young children is bad enough, the thought of being in a quarantine hotel with small children really is awful!

rawalpindithelabrador · 17/02/2021 16:10

@Subordinateclause

As well as the cost of quarantining in a hotel, I'm not sure it's actually that ethical to expect a toddler to stay in a single room with no fresh air for 10 days. Lockdown with young children is bad enough, the thought of being in a quarantine hotel with small children really is awful!

Try having a disabled tween.