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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge · 14/02/2021 12:15

You are wrong. The 'safety measures' asked for by teachers are far more about reducing teacher anxiety than anything else. Parents arent complaining about anything that would make schools safer, but upsetting my kids to make a teacher feel better about the project fear propaganda that they've swallowed..... it's a no from me.

Chollok · 14/02/2021 12:16

I have nothing to add to your excellent post but I agree with every word you say.

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 12:18

Agree @noblegiraffe

MoirasRoses · 14/02/2021 12:19

I’m not anti-lockdown but I do think kids need to go back to school ASAP. I think you can think both..

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:19

The 'safety measures' asked for by teachers are far more about reducing teacher anxiety than anything else

Did you see the infection rates in secondary kids before Christmas? Do you think it's a good thing to allow covid to run riot through a particular subset of the population that according to SAGE they then bring home to their families? Do you think it's desirable for kids to be in and out isolating at home for weeks unable to even leave the house?

Anyone with any sense should see that the situation in schools before Christmas was bad for kids and bad for the whole community.

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chocolateisavegetable · 14/02/2021 12:20

I'm very concerned about the reports on long Covid in children, but the threads about reopening schools rarely seem to mention it. This is the sort of thing I mean:

news.sky.com/story/the-ongoing-battle-of-long-covid-what-its-like-living-with-debilitating-after-effects-for-nearly-a-year-12214233
www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/scientists-say-children-should-be-vaccinated-against-coronavirus/ar-BB1djTXt?ocid=msedgdhp

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 12:20

The 'safety measures' asked for by teachers are far more about reducing teacher anxiety than anything else

This literally makes no sense.

I completely agree with you noble.

Cookiecrisps · 14/02/2021 12:20

Totally agree with everything in your post @noblegiraffe.

MrsHamlet · 14/02/2021 12:20

upsetting my kids to make a teacher feel better about the project fear propaganda that they've swallowed

What are we asking for that's so upsetting to your children?

HesterShaw1 · 14/02/2021 12:21

faux concern about children

That's a truly disgusting thing to say.

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative

oh the fucking irony.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:22

@MoirasRoses

I’m not anti-lockdown but I do think kids need to go back to school ASAP. I think you can think both..
Of course. We all want kids back to school as soon as possible.

But we also need to have as soon as sensible in there.

And that will be sooner if mitigation measures are put in place.

The worry is going back soon but not sensible.

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Chollok · 14/02/2021 12:22

I'm very concerned about the reports on long Covid in children, but the threads about reopening schools rarely seem to mention it

I know, people seem to want to stick their fingers in their ears over it.

HesterShaw1 · 14/02/2021 12:23

A woman local to me in her 40s with three young children killed herself the other day. Couldn't take this situation any more.

Still..."faux concern about children".

Your dismissive tone is genuinely revolting.

TryingNotToPanicOverCovid · 14/02/2021 12:23

Absolutely all Nobel says.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 12:23

@HesterShaw1

faux concern about children

That's a truly disgusting thing to say.

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative

oh the fucking irony.

^this
noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:24

faux concern about children

That's a truly disgusting thing to say.

It's a truly disgusting thing to read. Yet there it is, regularly available to read.

Like I said, you can spot the ones using kids to further an agenda because they only talk about them in the context of re-opening schools at the earliest date.

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Francienolan · 14/02/2021 12:25

100% agreed. We, as a country, can either beat this down to low numbers together (schools included) while we vaccinate and put safety measures into place, or we can have schools open and close repeatedly and have nothing else open for the rest of our miserable little lives. I know which one I prefer.

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Appuskidu · 14/02/2021 12:25

Agree with this 100%.

Maybe some of those people who claim it’s all about children’s mental health, will be campaigning for huge amounts of additional funding for CAMHS.

Cantaloupeisland · 14/02/2021 12:26

Absolutely faux concern - where was the concern for the kids who spent three quarters of last term isolating rather than in school due to constant positive cases in their year groups? Where was the media outrage about their disrupted education? Where has the concern for children's mental health been over years of underfunding and cuts to services?

Redbrickwall · 14/02/2021 12:26

Oh and yes I am totally anti lockdown and very proud to be so. Because there are a lot more harms and risks in life than Covid. Lockdowns focus on one thing and harm everything else.

Nuitsdesetoiles · 14/02/2021 12:27

@Igglepigglepeppaandgeorge completely agree with your post. Teachers and their "safety" have dominated the head lines for months now. More recent news coverage refutes the idea they're significantly more at risk than other professions, based on epidemiological studies. Schools should never have shut. I'm extremely genuinely concerned re the mental well-being of children as are many of the health professionals I know, plus some teachers but we're always silenced on the matter. This has been a disaster for children both lockdown and the additional restrictions.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:27

@HesterShaw1

A woman local to me in her 40s with three young children killed herself the other day. Couldn't take this situation any more.

Still..."faux concern about children".

Your dismissive tone is genuinely revolting.

That's truly terrible.

I said in my OP that there are parents and children genuinely struggling. They need proper support, and funding for support agencies, not hyped-up headlines about how devastating thing are for them and how they will never recover.

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bumbleymummy · 14/02/2021 12:27

@noblegiraffe

The 'safety measures' asked for by teachers are far more about reducing teacher anxiety than anything else

Did you see the infection rates in secondary kids before Christmas? Do you think it's a good thing to allow covid to run riot through a particular subset of the population that according to SAGE they then bring home to their families? Do you think it's desirable for kids to be in and out isolating at home for weeks unable to even leave the house?

Anyone with any sense should see that the situation in schools before Christmas was bad for kids and bad for the whole community.

If it has already ‘run riot’ through that age group then there will be a significant proportion of that group with immunity now.
OliveTree75 · 14/02/2021 12:27

@HesterShaw1

faux concern about children

That's a truly disgusting thing to say.

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative

oh the fucking irony.

Absolutely this